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Old October 11th, 2017, 03:12 AM   #51
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When there is no need to, that is a problem.
Was there a need to here?



You're putting the cart before the horse here.
"Police shoot people" is one of the reasons why people demand police wear body cams.




Black people get shot disproportionately more.
And you want people to just ignore that???
1. Were you there?
2. Now if we could just get the perps to wear them
3. Police Violence against Black Men Is Rare: Here?s What the Data Actually Say | National Review
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1. Were you there?
This is a really dumb question.
Are you asking that of everybody on this thread?
The obvious answer is no. That is why we're talking about the body-cam info.


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2. Now if we could just get the perps to wear them
If we're venturing into absurd fantasy, why don't we just get the perps to turn themselves in too...


Did you have something specific in that article you felt were relevant to some of my comments?
Or did you just read the headline?

Your article is akin to this one.
You’re more likely to be fatally crushed by furniture than killed by a terrorist
And both speak the truth regarding any individual's risk.
But there is more involved than just an individual's risk...

Your article doesn't seem to be refuting what I'm actually saying.
I am not saying that any black man leaving his apartment is automatically at high risk for getting shot by the police.
What I am saying is comparing police violence against blacks to police violence against whites, per capita blacks are more likely to be targeted by cops.
The study of thousands of use-of-force episodes from police departments across the nation has concluded what many people have long thought, but which could not be proved because of a lack of data: African-Americans are far more likely than whites and other groups to be the victims of use of force by the police, even when racial disparities in crime are taken into account.
....
The study found that the overall mean use-of-force rate for all black residents was 273 per 100,000, which is 3.6 times higher than the rate for white residents (76 per 100,000) and 2.5 times higher than the overall rate of 108 per 100,000 for all residents.

For those who were arrested, the mean rate of use of force against blacks was 46 for every 1,000 arrests, compared with 36 per 1,000 for whites.
Study Supports Suspicion That Police Are More Likely to Use Force on Blacks

And when we pay police salaries...
When cops are supposed to be representatives of the people, blind to race in their application of justice...
That is a problem...
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Why he was running was not a "stupid rhetorical question". It is actually a crucial piece of information. Unless you leftists have changed the meaning of that word too w/o telling anyone.
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Please, o rightist, tell me: What word?
You know what cracks me up...
Remember Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum?
The guy armed with guns, trying to mow down a barricade to stop him, was shot while trying to reach for his pistol.
He openly stated he wouldn't be taken alive. And then he enacted the situation to ensure that.

Right-wingers flipped their lid that he had been murdered by the government, despite the above.
But change the narrative to a black man running from the police, and suddenly shooting a man running from the police is either okay or they won't admit it's wrong...

Instead, they ask b.s. questions like why was he running and refuse to answer why that's relevant...
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This is a really dumb question.
Are you asking that of everybody on this thread?
The obvious answer is no. That is why we're talking about the body-cam info.



If we're venturing into absurd fantasy, why don't we just get the perps to turn themselves in too...



Did you have something specific in that article you felt were relevant to some of my comments?
Or did you just read the headline?

Your article is akin to this one.
You’re more likely to be fatally crushed by furniture than killed by a terrorist
And both speak the truth regarding any individual's risk.
But there is more involved than just an individual's risk...

Your article doesn't seem to be refuting what I'm actually saying.
I am not saying that any black man leaving his apartment is automatically at high risk for getting shot by the police.
What I am saying is comparing police violence against blacks to police violence against whites, per capita blacks are more likely to be targeted by cops.
The study of thousands of use-of-force episodes from police departments across the nation has concluded what many people have long thought, but which could not be proved because of a lack of data: African-Americans are far more likely than whites and other groups to be the victims of use of force by the police, even when racial disparities in crime are taken into account.
....
The study found that the overall mean use-of-force rate for all black residents was 273 per 100,000, which is 3.6 times higher than the rate for white residents (76 per 100,000) and 2.5 times higher than the overall rate of 108 per 100,000 for all residents.

For those who were arrested, the mean rate of use of force against blacks was 46 for every 1,000 arrests, compared with 36 per 1,000 for whites.
Study Supports Suspicion That Police Are More Likely to Use Force on Blacks

And when we pay police salaries...
When cops are supposed to be representatives of the people, blind to race in their application of justice...
That is a problem...
As a cop you get a lotta shit from white liberals and other snowflake-type folks. It builds up. You gotta get rid of it somehow.

Nothing works better as a stress-reliever than to beat the shit out of a black guy, or say, pumping three bullets into a black guy's back as he's running away from ya. It's damned near instant relief.
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You know what cracks me up...
Remember Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum?
The guy armed with guns, trying to mow down a barricade to stop him, was shot while trying to reach for his pistol.
He openly stated he wouldn't be taken alive. And then he enacted the situation to ensure that.

Right-wingers flipped their lid that he had been murdered by the government, despite the above.
But change the narrative to a black man running from the police, and suddenly shooting a man running from the police is either okay or they won't admit it's wrong...

Instead, they ask b.s. questions like why was he running and refuse to answer why that's relevant...
It's just TOOOOO fucking funny.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 08:20 AM   #56
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You know what cracks me up...
Remember Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum?
The guy armed with guns, trying to mow down a barricade to stop him, was shot while trying to reach for his pistol.
He openly stated he wouldn't be taken alive. And then he enacted the situation to ensure that.

Right-wingers flipped their lid that he had been murdered by the government, despite the above.
But change the narrative to a black man running from the police, and suddenly shooting a man running from the police is either okay or they won't admit it's wrong...

Instead, they ask b.s. questions like why was he running and refuse to answer why that's relevant...
Well, that should end this thread. Or at least RW conservative participation in it.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 08:37 AM   #57
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Why he was running was not a "stupid rhetorical question". It is actually a crucial piece of information. Unless you leftists have changed the meaning of that word too w/o telling anyone.
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Please, o rightist, tell me: What word?
You know what cracks me up...
Remember Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum?
The guy armed with guns, trying to mow down a barricade to stop him, was shot while trying to reach for his pistol.
He openly stated he wouldn't be taken alive. And then he enacted the situation to ensure that.

Right-wingers flipped their lid that he had been murdered by the government, despite the above.
But change the narrative to a black man running from the police, and suddenly shooting a man running from the police is either okay or they won't admit it's wrong...

Instead, they ask b.s. questions like why was he running and refuse to answer why that's relevant...
Yeah, or take that ass-bite Ammon "This land is my land" Bundy. His family openly broke grazing laws, broke the law by occupying a federal building and dared law enforcement to do anything about it. That incident followed "an right-wing extremist uprising" at the Bundy's place in Nevada.

Right-wing heroes.

As a side note, the occupiers weren't armed with single-shot .22s.

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Old October 11th, 2017, 08:47 AM   #58
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This is a really dumb question.
Are you asking that of everybody on this thread?
The obvious answer is no. That is why we're talking about the body-cam info.



If we're venturing into absurd fantasy, why don't we just get the perps to turn themselves in too...



Did you have something specific in that article you felt were relevant to some of my comments?
Or did you just read the headline?

Your article is akin to this one.
You’re more likely to be fatally crushed by furniture than killed by a terrorist
And both speak the truth regarding any individual's risk.
But there is more involved than just an individual's risk...

Your article doesn't seem to be refuting what I'm actually saying.
I am not saying that any black man leaving his apartment is automatically at high risk for getting shot by the police.
What I am saying is comparing police violence against blacks to police violence against whites, per capita blacks are more likely to be targeted by cops.
The study of thousands of use-of-force episodes from police departments across the nation has concluded what many people have long thought, but which could not be proved because of a lack of data: African-Americans are far more likely than whites and other groups to be the victims of use of force by the police, even when racial disparities in crime are taken into account.
....
The study found that the overall mean use-of-force rate for all black residents was 273 per 100,000, which is 3.6 times higher than the rate for white residents (76 per 100,000) and 2.5 times higher than the overall rate of 108 per 100,000 for all residents.

For those who were arrested, the mean rate of use of force against blacks was 46 for every 1,000 arrests, compared with 36 per 1,000 for whites.
Study Supports Suspicion That Police Are More Likely to Use Force on Blacks

And when we pay police salaries...
When cops are supposed to be representatives of the people, blind to race in their application of justice...
That is a problem...
Course I read it, of course you didn't, and as far as it goes, if blacks commit more crimes what the heck are cops supposed to do look the other way?
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Course I read it, of course you didn't...
Care to show me what in the article I should have addressed that I didn't.
No. Of course you won't.
Cause I DID address it. You just lack the honesty to admit that.


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... and as far as it goes, if blacks commit more crimes what the heck are cops supposed to do look the other way?
I'll take b.s. strawman questions for $1,000 Alex!
< end sarcasm >

First off, repeating what I pointed out in another thread.
Part of the problem is that if you actually look at crime, your allegation is shaky.
White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it
Even more surprising is what gets left out of the chart: Blacks are far more likely to be arrested for selling or possessing drugs than whites, even though whites use drugs at the same rate. And whites are actually more likely to sell drugs:
Whites were about 45 percent more likely than blacks to sell drugs in 1980, according to an analysis of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth by economist Robert Fairlie. This was consistent with a 1989 survey of youth in Boston. My own analysis of data from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows that 6.6 percent of white adolescents and young adults (aged 12 to 25) sold drugs, compared to just 5.0 percent of blacks (a 32 percent difference).
Secondly, of course the police should go after ALL criminals.
But shooting a man running away in the back is wrong.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 09:28 AM   #60
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...But shooting a man running away in the back is wrong.
Well yeah, it's wrong, but see, we don't know why he was running away, and when in doubt it's best to shoot a fleeing person in the back ... three times. Who knows? He might have had a gun stashed down the street somewhere, or some drugs. Maybe he's a pimp. Who knows? So shooting him in the back made sense, to keep him from hurting the officers who, after all, had pulled the man over because they cared about him and riding around without a red reflector is, well, dangerous.

I mean, it's too bad the heroic officer had to shoot him in the back, three times, to protect him from getting injured or possibly killed because his bike lacked a red reflector, but, shit happens.

And he was black.
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