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Old November 12th, 2017, 09:34 AM   #11
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Roy Moore may or may not be guilty of deviancy. It remains to be seen. Someone is lying for sure. Till it is shown who, the campaign of Roy Moore should continue unimpeded.
To me, the honorable thing for him to do would be to withdraw.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 09:41 AM   #12
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To me, the honorable thing for him to do would be to withdraw.
Were you calling for the Duke Lacrosse players to turn themselves into the authorities and admit their crime too? Have you considered the possibility that Moore is not guilty of anything?
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Were you calling for the Duke Lacrosse players to turn themselves into the authorities and admit their crime too? Have you considered the possibility that Moore is not guilty of anything?
No and yes. Roy Moore, whatever his positive and negative qualities are, is nothing but unintentional cudgel for his opposition now. Too keep supporting him now, innocent or not, has nothing to do with an alleged crime and all to do with the deep divisions of our politics. The aura around him is now toxic.

Is he guilty of a crime? As far as the law is concerned, no. Not without being tried and found innocent or guilty
But, in the court of public opinion, yes. He is.
Sorry, but that is just the sorry state of perverted fairness in this country. In politics and the court of public opinion, he's guilty before he's even proven innocent.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 10:43 AM   #14
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No and yes. Roy Moore, whatever his positive and negative qualities are, is nothing but unintentional cudgel for his opposition now. Too keep supporting him now, innocent or not, has nothing to do with an alleged crime and all to do with the deep divisions of our politics. The aura around him is now toxic.

Is he guilty of a crime? As far as the law is concerned, no. Not without being tried and found innocent or guilty
But, in the court of public opinion, yes. He is.
Sorry, but that is just the sorry state of perverted fairness in this country. In politics and the court of public opinion, he's guilty before he's even proven innocent.
If nothing more substantial comes out he will probably win the election. If he is innocent of the allegation then great. If he is guilty of the allegations then he is a scum bag and will be removed from office.

If he is innocent and drops out of the race it is simply handing over the office to the Democrat opponent. The only Republican that will win this office is Roy Moore.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 11:31 AM   #15
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Ahh playing the race card. How typical of the Left.

Bill Cosby has admitted to obtaining quaaludes and drugging women. Perhaps Roy Moore will admit to something equally damning. If he does I will be advocating for his demise along with you. Perhaps the accuser will admit to something equally damning.


Till then Roy Moore is innocent and should continue the campaign.
So do you rescind everything you've accused Hillary and Barack of, except for the specific things they have admitted?

And lighten up on Cosby, he admits to buying Quaaludes, he says he never used them.
And Roy Moore is guilty!

That's GUILTY!, GUILTY!, GUILTY!, GUILTY!
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To me, the honorable thing for him to do would be to withdraw.
If he withdraws, he admits it's all true.
And he invites piling on by Republicans looking to distance themselves from "an admitted wrong doer".

If he stays in, then the Party has to come around and rally behind him or lose the seat.
Even if the party does a write in campaign, if he's on the ballot, and telling people to vote for him, the GOP vote is split, and they lose.
As long as he's on the ballot, he's their only choice, and they need to get behind him, and support him, and call those women liars.
And even if he loses, at least he's the victim, not the perp.

They will need to come up with some serious shit to get him to go along.

He's probably thinking of that old Republican saying.
"When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow"
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So do you rescind everything you've accused Hillary and Barack of, except for the specific things they have admitted?

And lighten up on Cosby, he admits to buying Quaaludes, he says he never used them.
And Roy Moore is guilty!

That's GUILTY!, GUILTY!, GUILTY!, GUILTY!
Cosby adnitted to drugging women.


Look I make opinions about who I think is guilty and who is not just like you do. I will not assume a person is guilty of something by a 39 year old accusation with no other significant evidence of something. I did not jump on the Cosby is guilty bandwagon till more came out. Same with the Duke lacrosse team.
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Cosby adnitted to drugging women.


Look I make opinions about who I think is guilty and who is not just like you do. I will not assume a person is guilty of something by a 39 year old accusation with no other significant evidence of something
FOUR accusers with similar stories?
30 corroborating witnesses.

What else would you like ?

Video of the events?
A signed confession?
Just remember where you set the bar, and hold yourself and others to it.

And just remember, it these women are lying, they can be sued.
That's not going to happen, the last thing Roy Moore wants to do is testify under oath.
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FOUR accusers with similar stories?
30 corroborating witnesses...
No there is only one accusation of underage sexual activity. There is no corroborating witnesses, just hearsay, Its not even a court case it is just a smear campaign so far.
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No there is only one accusation of underage sexual activity. There is no corroborating witnesses, just hearsay, Its not even a court case it is just a smear campaign so far.
No, it's four women who say when Roy Moore was in his 30's he dated them, and they were teenagers.

Now some of those girls were 16, and that is the age of consent in Alabama.
But this isn't a criminal trial, it's a trial by public opinion of Roy Moore's character.
If he dated a lot of teenage girls, when he was in his 30's, that lends credence to the testimony that he "got naked with a 14 year old girl".
And what we have is a lot of people saying Roy Moore went out with a lot of teenage girls when he was in his 30's.
That many people is nearly impossible to fake.
The more time people spend with the facts, the more it becomes obvious.

The major point of all this isn't that Roy Moore made a mistake 40 years ago.
The major takeaway is that Roy Moore is lying to the voters of Alabama, right now, today, he's a lying motherfucker.
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