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Old November 13th, 2017, 12:19 PM   #1
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RT is a Foreign Agent

Since everyone (with two bits of brain to rub together) already knew it, I guess they decided they may as well make it official.

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Kremlin TV Network RT Registers As ‘Foreign Agent’ in U.S.


The editor-in-chief of the Kremlin-run RT news network, Margarita Simonyan, said its U.S. branch has registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

The 1938 law, designed to target Nazi propaganda, has been the driving force behind escalating U.S.-Russia tensions in recent weeks. Washington DC gave RT a Monday deadline to register as a “foreign agent” following allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

"Between a criminal case and registration, we chose the latter," Simonyan wrote today in a tweet. "For which we congratulate American freedom of speech and all those who still believe in it."
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/krem...n-the-us-59563
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I was wondring when someone would post this shit here! If RT has to register, does Thom Hartman, Ed Schultz, Larry King, Mike Papantonio, Chris Hedges, or the only one I set my dvr for- Lee Camp-Redacted Tonight all have to register as foreign agents?

As I've said before regarding John Kirakou and Eugene Puryear at Radiio Sputnik, these shows feature American voices that the BORG which dominates US broadcasting won't give a voice to! Looks like Russia's crime here is giving liberal and left dissidents a chance to talk about Occupy Wall Street, police killings, Black Lives Matter, the Standing Rock standoff etc. besides growing levels of poverty and homelessness in the US a public airing. That is RT and Radio Sputnik's real crimes here.

The fact that they don't cover Russian news or the anti-Putin shit I can hear all the time on CNN etc. doesn't matter a crap, because that's not why me and other listeners and viewers are going to RT or Al Jazeera for honest opinions on US and global events.

There is also the dissidents who try to eek out a living on Youtube and podcasting, but those avenues are being shut down also as Google is attacking both left and libertarian antiwar sites calling their contrary messages "fake news." Even comedian and relatively new political activist-Jimmy Dore has had his videos demonized on Youtube...so he's asking for more members and patreon supporters to keep doing a weekly comedy and news wrapup on the week's events. I'm a contributor, but I wonder how long it will be before Jimmy and other dissidents who refused to support Hillary and went to the Green Party last time will be removed from all avenues to voice their dissent in public! https://www.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy

One thing for sure, you liberals are no fucking help on these issues as amoral unmoored liberals turned into the War Party during the Obama years and still can't find a war, a weapons system or a deep state organ (CIA, NSA) that they don't have incredulous faith in! Liberals are the new McCarthyites in America!
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You're something else RTL.

You can see the US' faults but are stone-cold blind to the faults of Russia.
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You're something else RTL.

You can see the US' faults but are stone-cold blind to the faults of Russia.
No, I see Russia's faults alright, but who made Russia what it is today?

And when it comes to this media war, Russia at least has enough sense to offer a microphone to some of the dissident voices who are blacklisted from mainstream private and public radio and TV in the US....which you don't seem to have an argument for! Who is the CIA and US Government supporting through Russian media they control: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle, CNN, and Voice of America? Pussy Riot? Alexei Navalny? If they had any sense or any actual awareness of what average Russians are thinking, they would be supporting the dissidents on the left...not rich assholes like Navalny and whatever bourgeoise revolution he thinks he can cook up!

I was going to post something about the discomforts Putin and the Russian Government are having this year about the year long commemorations of events leading up to the October Revolution a hundred years ago..especially after Trump's idiotic anti-communism speech and the even more vacuous editorial by John Stossel posted here somewhere last week...but I didn't get around to it! Putin and his government chose to allow celebrations of the October Revolution...but not attend themselves. He has to be calculating and decidedly ambivalent about 1917, because without it, Russia would have disintegrated under the bourgeoise March Revolution of Alexander Kerensky, who overthrew the Czarist Government...but wouldn't take Russia out of World War One...which the vast majority of Russians...even the Army were all demanding! There was no violent overthrow of Kerensky's regime because he had become so unpopular...losing support from all parts of society...including the Army and Navy, that Lenin and the bolsheviks were able to just walk in and gather thousands of local soviets to their side and form the first government of the people...debate can rage on about how long it lasted, since Russia was immediately under attack from 19 different countries the following year who tried to restore the czar back to power. But, most Russians regard the October Revolution as the pivotal event in making Russia and then the growing alliance of the Soviet Union a thriving nation and world power during the 20th century...inspite of the 30 million deaths and total destruction caused by WWII.

Back in the late 80's, when the cabal of high level Communist Party officials were planning with their western backers a coup that would break up the Soviet Union and make Russia capitalist...with them taking most of the spoils...there was likely little thought given to how to handle the anniversary of the Revolution. Putin and Russian oligarchs have to acknowledge the achievements of the Revolution, but claim that it ran its course and had to be replaced etc. etc.. If the CIA was run by actual people with brains and an ounce of awareness, they would have zeroed in on the schizophrenic affects the Bolshevik Revolution has on today's capitalist government, that most people tolerate, but are certainly not enamoured with and want a more equitable society like they had in the past!

And if the Government doesn't know how to handle the Soviet Era, neither does Russian media! They laud Stalin as a war hero but make up shit about his rival- Leon Trotsky...who would prove to be a more threatening ghost from the past for Russians to revive today.

BTW, the Russian parliament is about to apply the same coercive laws against US and other foreign media outlets and their internet sites that has been applied to RT and Radio Sputnik:
Duma could pass restrictions against foreign media this week – deputy speaker — RT Russian Politics News

https://www.rt.com/politics/409728-d...tions-against/

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Holy shit.......

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No, I see Russia's faults alright, but who made Russia what it is today?

And when it comes to this media war, Russia at least has enough sense to offer a microphone to some of the dissident voices who are blacklisted from mainstream private and public radio and TV in the US....which you don't seem to have an argument for! Who is the CIA and US Government supporting through Russian media they control: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Deutsche Welle, CNN, and Voice of America? Pussy Riot? Alexei Navalny? If they had any sense or any actual awareness of what average Russians are thinking, they would be supporting the dissidents on the left...not rich assholes like Navalny and whatever bourgeoise revolution he thinks he can cook up!
You illustrated my point. Sure, Russian government media will put a mike in front of anyone who'll trash the US. And, they'll put a gun to the head of Russian dissidents, especially dissident politicians such as Nemtsov.

And just like US politics only more so, no one who isn't a "rich asshole" has a chance in Russian politics. Since Yeltsin and all his flaws, there have been no populist politicians in Russia. The people are scared to support populists. It's not the USSR anymore, but you still don't know which of your neighbors you can trust.

But since you brought it up, please, what are the average Russians thinking?

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I was going to post something about the discomforts Putin and the Russian Government are having this year about the year long commemorations of events leading up to the October Revolution a hundred years ago..especially after Trump's idiotic anti-communism speech and the even more vacuous editorial by John Stossel posted here somewhere last week...but I didn't get around to it! Putin and his government chose to allow celebrations of the October Revolution...but not attend themselves. He has to be calculating and decidedly ambivalent about 1917, because without it, Russia would have disintegrated under the bourgeoise March Revolution of Alexander Kerensky, who overthrew the Czarist Government...but wouldn't take Russia out of World War One...which the vast majority of Russians...even the Army were all demanding! There was no violent overthrow of Kerensky's regime because he had become so unpopular...losing support from all parts of society...including the Army and Navy, that Lenin and the bolsheviks were able to just walk in and gather thousands of local soviets to their side and form the first government of the people...debate can rage on about how long it lasted, since Russia was immediately under attack from 19 different countries the following year who tried to restore the czar back to power. But, most Russians regard the October Revolution as the pivotal event in making Russia and then the growing alliance of the Soviet Union a thriving nation and world power during the 20th century...inspite of the 30 million deaths and total destruction caused by WWII
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Let's get the figures straight. Soviet war deaths are estimated at 20 million. That's not surprising at all. Stalin believed in the non-aggression pact with Germany. The USSR was caught totally flat footed when Hitler turned on them, which he always was going to do. He conned Stalin big time. Another 20 million were killed by Stalin in kulaks and through forced collectivisation, gulags, and purges. When WWII came to the USSR, the Soviets had a big shortage of officers because paranoid Joe had killed most of them.

Putin "allowed" remembrances of the Bolshevik Revolution because the communists in Russia never went away and indeed have grown stronger and more numerous since the Iron Curtain's fall. And more popular. If anything could have started a 2017 Russian revolution, banning celebrations of the October Revolution would have done it. Above all, Putin is a sly and adept politician even if he is a murderous SOB.

Check your history and current events. The Tsar couldn't be restored to power. He'd been murdered, and to what "thriving nation" are you referring?????

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Back in the late 80's, when the cabal of high level Communist Party officials were planning with their western backers a coup that would break up the Soviet Union and make Russia capitalist...with them taking most of the spoils...there was likely little thought given to how to handle the anniversary of the Revolution. Putin and Russian oligarchs have to acknowledge the achievements of the Revolution, but claim that it ran its course and had to be replaced etc. etc.. If the CIA was run by actual people with brains and an ounce of awareness, they would have zeroed in on the schizophrenic affects the Bolshevik Revolution has on today's capitalist government, that most people tolerate, but are certainly not enamoured with and want a more equitable society like they had in the past!
“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.” Vladimir Putin, 2005

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And if the Government doesn't know how to handle the Soviet Era, neither does Russian media! They laud Stalin as a war hero but make up shit about his rival- Leon Trotsky...who would prove to be a more threatening ghost from the past for Russians to revive today.
Revolution scares Putin. Best to play it down. And, Channel One premiered a big-budget series about Leon Trotsky just last week. I've seen very little lauding of Stalin on Russian state TV. He's a persona non grata. The Great Patriotic War however is a source of national pride, and a common theme of much programming.

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BTW, the Russian parliament is about to apply the same coercive laws against US and other foreign media outlets and their internet sites that has been applied to RT and Radio Sputnik:
Duma could pass restrictions against foreign media this week – deputy speaker — RT Russian Politics News

https://www.rt.com/politics/409728-d...tions-against/
What law was recently passed to put Russian media in the crosshairs? The statute in question, Foreign Agents Registration Act, was passed in 1938. Are suggesting that Russian-financed media should be exempt from the law's provisions?

About the filing:
In the filing, RT America's partner company said it wasn't sure how much of its funding comes from Russia....

After the filing was made on Monday, Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Antonov, visited RT America's offices in Washington, D.C.

"We never let our people down," he said, according to Tass.

...The paperwork acknowledges that RT America's parent company is financed by a foreign government, political party or other principal. But the company declined to provide details, saying only that it understands "the Russian Federation finances ANO TV-Novosti to a substantial extent."

To the next question — which seeks a full explanation for those foreign ties — the response stated, "Registrant is not sufficiently aware of who supervises, owns, directs, controls or subsidizes ANO TV-Novosti to answer the foregoing questions."

...To the question of whether political activities are involved, the company replied "no," adding that the channel's programs "are designed merely to inform, not influence" and aren't meant "to primarily benefit any foreign government or political party."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...s-to-retaliate

Sure. Otherwise typical Russki straight shooting here .... NOT!
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This is what Tony Podesta is facing, he failed to register as a foreign agent.
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Holy shit.......



You illustrated my point. Sure, Russian government media will put a mike in front of anyone who'll trash the US. And, they'll put a gun to the head of Russian dissidents, especially dissident politicians such as Nemtsov.
So the CIA doesn't have enough sense to put a mike in front of Russian dissidents? And persecution of dissidents is happening in America too. We're seeing already that dissidents from anti-pipeline environmental movements to black and other protesters against fascist policing in poor neighborhoods are facing criminal charges to intimidate them from acting...even J-20 protesters threatened with up to 70 year sentences for being next to people who broke windows. They're finding ways to throw them in jail or prison or like Nemtsov, getting killed with no witnesses as unsolved murders. And let's add for anyone unfamiliar with who the fuck Nemtsov is that he was no threat to Putin as political candidate and he had mob connections of his own, which also means he had enemies outside of the Government who would want him dead! Don't try to pretend that America's descent into fascism is something different than Russia's after the fall of the Soviet Union.
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And just like US politics only more so, no one who isn't a "rich asshole" has a chance in Russian politics. Since Yeltsin and all his flaws, there have been no populist politicians in Russia. The people are scared to support populists. It's not the USSR anymore, but you still don't know which of your neighbors you can trust.
About the communism crap, I have a Bulgarian neighbor who declares that the secret police was not an issue for her family or others who were not political and went about their daily lives..going to school, going to work etc.. Obviously that's not a testimony on freedom, but I was reminded of this when I read an analysis of attitudes of people done in former East Bloc countries who were of an age to have opinions on whether life was better before or after the fall of state communism that this Indian-born British psychologist found a sharp divide in attitudes between men and women on the topic, with the majority of women first in Bulgaria and then in the other countries she was able to conduct polling, declaring that life was better before/while a larger number of men...though not necessarily the majority thought things were better for them after communism. That should tell you a few things about what happened if you take the time to actually think it all through!
*and it's not just about communism, many Syrian refugees say the same damn thing..that if you didn't talk about Assad and the Government or voice support for Islamic governance you could go about your life without worrying about police-secret or otherwise. Are the Syrians better off now than they were before? Having half the country fleeing as refugees obviously means NO! It's just another example of America and western thinkers applying their rules and yardsticks to countries and cultures they don't understand and don't know how to deal with.

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Let's get the figures straight. Soviet war deaths are estimated at 20 million. That's not surprising at all. Stalin believed in the non-aggression pact with Germany. The USSR was caught totally flat footed when Hitler turned on them, which he always was going to do. He conned Stalin big time. Another 20 million were killed by Stalin in kulaks and through forced collectivisation, gulags, and purges. When WWII came to the USSR, the Soviets had a big shortage of officers because paranoid Joe had killed most of them.
Let's get sources straight! I'm more inclined to go with the sources from the people who live there rather than whatever the CIA wants to tell afterwards. On that thought, it's one of the reasons why I accept the Iraqi estimate of one million casualties of the Iraq Invasion rather than the US estimate of 100,000! Regardless it's a shitload of people, and compare it to the US losses...no civilians and .3% of the military(mostly air force) of the US population at the time. But, if you watch crap like Saving Private Ryan you would think that WWII was between the US and the Germans! The NATO commemorations of the end of WWII were a disgrace! Regardless of what the US thinks of Putin or Russia etc.. Nothing was mentioned and no Russian dignitaries were invited to join the US, British, Canadian and resistance forces in Europe. This is all part of the reason why Americans are the most ignorant people in the world about world history!

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Putin "allowed" remembrances of the Bolshevik Revolution because the communists in Russia never went away and indeed have grown stronger and more numerous since the Iron Curtain's fall. And more popular. If anything could have started a 2017 Russian revolution, banning celebrations of the October Revolution would have done it. Above all, Putin is a sly and adept politician even if he is a murderous SOB.
The communists that Putin allows are Zyuganov and the Stalinist Communist Party and that's NOT where the majority of Russians are!

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Check your history and current events. The Tsar couldn't be restored to power. He'd been murdered, and to what "thriving nation" are you referring?????
According to records that weren't revealed until afterwards, the Czar and his family were all killed in the summer of 1918, while the White counter-revolution began in November of 1917 as soon as they got dumped out of power! They had lots of money and lots of friends all around Russia who feared an international workers revolution, because that had been the #1 goal of the Bolsheviks.

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“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.” Vladimir Putin, 2005
And where were Putin or Medvedev at the ceremonies?
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Revolution scares Putin. Best to play it down. And, Channel One premiered a big-budget series about Leon Trotsky just last week. I've seen very little lauding of Stalin on Russian state TV. He's a persona non grata. The Great Patriotic War however is a source of national pride, and a common theme of much programming.
I already heard about that one from a Russian ex-pat who has family back there and watches lots of Russian programming. They tried to discredit Trotsky as much as possible...portraying him as a vain, drunken Jew...which is neither here nor there for me, but sure is indicative that Russian leaders today in government and media want to keep Trotsky buried!

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What law was recently passed to put Russian media in the crosshairs? The statute in question, Foreign Agents Registration Act, was passed in 1938. Are suggesting that Russian-financed media should be exempt from the law's provisions?

About the filing:
In the filing, RT America's partner company said it wasn't sure how much of its funding comes from Russia....

After the filing was made on Monday, Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Antonov, visited RT America's offices in Washington, D.C.

"We never let our people down," he said, according to Tass.

...The paperwork acknowledges that RT America's parent company is financed by a foreign government, political party or other principal. But the company declined to provide details, saying only that it understands "the Russian Federation finances ANO TV-Novosti to a substantial extent."

To the next question — which seeks a full explanation for those foreign ties — the response stated, "Registrant is not sufficiently aware of who supervises, owns, directs, controls or subsidizes ANO TV-Novosti to answer the foregoing questions."

...To the question of whether political activities are involved, the company replied "no," adding that the channel's programs "are designed merely to inform, not influence" and aren't meant "to primarily benefit any foreign government or political party."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...s-to-retaliate

Sure. Otherwise typical Russki straight shooting here .... NOT!
All stuff that I don't really give a crap about much, cause my concerns are mostly about what's going on on this continent not over there! And like I said before, if these Russian subversives are destroying America by giving a platform to people being suppressed by US media that sure indicates how "free" America is today! If Radio Free Europe or CNN's foreign service can't think up something similar that's just a sign of how dumb and narrow-thinking they are!

There are three shows I listen to daily from podcast of Radio Sputnik. Without them, Eugene Puryear doesn't have a platform to do the kind of show he wants, and John Kiriakou would be silenced by the simple fact he's been blacklisted by the same forces that have taken Chris Hedges off the air. Why the CIA is frightened by establishment liberals on RT like Larry King, Ed Schultz or Tom Hartmann is beyond me though!
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So the CIA doesn't have enough sense to put a mike in front of Russian dissidents? And persecution of dissidents is happening in America too. We're seeing already that dissidents from anti-pipeline environmental movements to black and other protesters against fascist policing in poor neighborhoods are facing criminal charges to intimidate them from acting...even J-20 protesters threatened with up to 70 year sentences for being next to people who broke windows. They're finding ways to throw them in jail or prison or like Nemtsov, getting killed with no witnesses as unsolved murders. And let's add for anyone unfamiliar with who the fuck Nemtsov is that he was no threat to Putin as political candidate and he had mob connections of his own, which also means he had enemies outside of the Government who would want him dead! Don't try to pretend that America's descent into fascism is something different than Russia's after the fall of the Soviet Union.
The mob is the government in Russia, and unfortunately, in Ukraine too. Don't try to pretend the US is on the verge of being the Soviet Union. We're not close. As for who the fuck Nemtsov is, I'll trust my wife's experience and opinions over the obviously pro-Russian sources you've encountered.

Nemtsov called bullshit on Putin. He was a threat to Putin. When he was assassinated, he was in Moscow to organize protests against Russian intervention in Ukraine. The majority of Russians did not support Russian intervention in Ukraine, which is why Putin denied involvement. Nemtsov was about to blow his cover. Putin shares Trump's narcissism. You can't be making him look bad and stay healthy in Russia, or anywhere really.

Was Nemtsov a "good guy," squeaky clean. Nope, no one in Russian politics is, but he was head of a growing opposition party.

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About the communism crap, I have a Bulgarian neighbor who declares that the secret police was not an issue for her family or others who were not political and went about their daily lives..going to school, going to work etc.. Obviously that's not a testimony on freedom, but I was reminded of this when I read an analysis of attitudes of people done in former East Bloc countries who were of an age to have opinions on whether life was better before or after the fall of state communism that this Indian-born British psychologist found a sharp divide in attitudes between men and women on the topic, with the majority of women first in Bulgaria and then in the other countries she was able to conduct polling, declaring that life was better before/while a larger number of men...though not necessarily the majority thought things were better for them after communism. That should tell you a few things about what happened if you take the time to actually think it all through!
To what "communism crap" are you referring? Your Bulgarian reference point does not apply to the goings-on in Russia, Belarus, or Ukraine. And your chiding me from a superior POV - if you take the time to actually think it all through - is nonsense. I'm married to a woman born in 1952. I've spent time in Ukraine and Russia, and not as a tourist. I've talked with the people there. Iow, I have first-hand knowledge. Ukrainians to a person love the personal freedoms and the opportunity to work for themselves, at least before Putin f**ked Ukraine.

While it's true that by the "knockers," the nighttime "visits" by KGB agents were confined mostly to the 30s, 40s, and 50s, eyes were still on everyone until the USSR's collapse. As you neighbor noted, as long as you kept your mouth shut, minded your own business, and didn't cozy up with foreigners, you're probably good.

However, if you lived in Ukraine, you'd better not speak in Ukrainian in public.

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and it's not just about communism, many Syrian refugees say the same damn thing..that if you didn't talk about Assad and the Government or voice support for Islamic governance you could go about your life without worrying about police-secret or otherwise. Are the Syrians better off now than they were before? Having half the country fleeing as refugees obviously means NO! It's just another example of America and western thinkers applying their rules and yardsticks to countries and cultures they don't understand and don't know how to deal with.
Yes, in countries with totalitarian governments, keeping your head down increases your safety level, but who the hell wants to live like that? You? Not me. Not anyone I met in Russia or Ukraine. I agree that the US, Iran, and Russia should have stayed out of Syria, but by the living God, you're now standing tall for Assad?

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Let's get sources straight! I'm more inclined to go with the sources from the people who live there rather than whatever the CIA wants to tell afterwards. On that thought, it's one of the reasons why I accept the Iraqi estimate of one million casualties of the Iraq Invasion rather than the US estimate of 100,000! Regardless it's a shitload of people, and compare it to the US losses...no civilians and .3% of the military(mostly air force) of the US population at the time. But, if you watch crap like Saving Private Ryan you would think that WWII was between the US and the Germans! The NATO commemorations of the end of WWII were a disgrace! Regardless of what the US thinks of Putin or Russia etc.. Nothing was mentioned and no Russian dignitaries were invited to join the US, British, Canadian and resistance forces in Europe. This is all part of the reason why Americans are the most ignorant people in the world about world history!
Your hatred of all things American is again noted.

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The communists that Putin allows are Zyuganov and the Stalinist Communist Party and that's NOT where the majority of Russians are!
MAJORITY OF RUSSIANS FOND OF LENIN AND REGRET SOVIET COLLAPSE

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According to records that weren't revealed until afterwards, the Czar and his family were all killed in the summer of 1918, while the White counter-revolution began in November of 1917 as soon as they got dumped out of power! They had lots of money and lots of friends all around Russia who feared an international workers revolution, because that had been the #1 goal of the Bolsheviks.

And where were Putin or Medvedev at the ceremonies?
What ceremonies?

You must not understand the terror unleashed by the Bolsheviks, or hell, maybe you approve of it. Basically, the Bolsheviks armed the poorest, least educated people and told them to go out and kill all aristocrats, all owners of private property, basically anyone who'd had any power under the Tsarist regime, and anyone who resisted collectivization such as farmers who'd tilled the soil of family farms.

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I already heard about that one from a Russian ex-pat who has family back there and watches lots of Russian programming. They tried to discredit Trotsky as much as possible...portraying him as a vain, drunken Jew...which is neither here nor there for me, but sure is indicative that Russian leaders today in government and media want to keep Trotsky buried!


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All stuff that I don't really give a crap about much, cause my concerns are mostly about what's going on on this continent not over there! And like I said before, if these Russian subversives are destroying America by giving a platform to people being suppressed by US media that sure indicates how "free" America is today! If Radio Free Europe or CNN's foreign service can't think up something similar that's just a sign of how dumb and narrow-thinking they are!

There are three shows I listen to daily from podcast of Radio Sputnik. Without them, Eugene Puryear doesn't have a platform to do the kind of show he wants, and John Kiriakou would be silenced by the simple fact he's been blacklisted by the same forces that have taken Chris Hedges off the air. Why the CIA is frightened by establishment liberals on RT like Larry King, Ed Schultz or Tom Hartmann is beyond me though!
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That's quite an admission coming from you! When all of this Orange Revolution Crappola started back up three years ago, it didn't pass the smell test to me because of all the stuff I was vaguely aware of at the time...starting with the pre-civil war-like divide between east and west that could be plainly seen by taking a look at how the Ukraine Parliamentary districts were divided. The Oranges never got around to explaining how or what they were going to do with the large Russian, Russian-speaking Orthodox regions in the east and the south...and worse: western media like the shit we have on CNN never asked the question! Once hostilities ensued, it was pretty fucking obvious that the plan was just to ethnically cleanse the east and possibly even Crimea too..though since Russia threatened war with Ukraine 20 years ago over a dispute with the naval base there, it should have been obvious that Russia was not going to let Crimea fall into the hands of the orange oligarchs.

What I learned soon after, was that new indepedent Ukraine had been a tinderbox from the start that was mostly kept together by the richest of the 7 billionaire oligarchs, and the man who owned everything in the east- Rinat Akhmetov. For a time, the US didn't want orange nationalism going too far and creating the kind of failed state Ukraine is today, so even though they wanted governments dominated by the US/EU-friendly mob in Kiev, they were willing to play along with Akhmetov's balancing act, as he was the only one who owned property throughout and had a vested interest in keeping the peace...even using his private army/goon squad-strikebreakers to suppress riots in Donetsk and Lugansk. But that wasn't good enough, and Akhmetov had to flee to Mariupol and lose his holdings in the east to a provisional Donbass government that wants to keep all mines and industries state-run under a renewed communist administration...and that, along with the large recent celebrations of the October Revolution in the East is something else not told in our media!

But, who's idea was it to set this mess in motion? Let's go back to the intercepted phone call of Victoria Nuland to the US ambassador in Kiev where she redirected his thoughts about making former heavyweight champion - Valeri Klitschko the provisional leader, and told him: "Yatz is our man," in a conversation mentioning that "we've already invested 5 billion in this effort," no doubt by way of CIA fronts NED and USAID. So, who's responsible for Ukraine coming unglued and turned into a nationalistic fascist hellhole today? The US has a primary responsibility, but all these Orange assholes do too, because all they could think about was imposing their flag, their religion and their language upon the entire country! And that's #1 reason why I'm not a fan of anyone's nationalistic movements!

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Don't try to pretend the US is on the verge of being the Soviet Union. We're not close.
Don't try to pretend the US isn't already an oligarchy and NOT a democracy! It's the US which dominates global capitalism..even if China is about to change that, the US is indicating that it is willing to do anything...even nuclear war to maintain primacy and prevent a multipolar economic order in the world.
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As for who the fuck Nemtsov is, I'll trust my wife's experience and opinions over the obviously pro-Russian sources you've encountered.
Your one source doesn't know everything about today's current events and the history of communism, the Soviet Union etc.. I prefer testimonials from multiple sources and I can verify them with the indy and foreign media that I try to keep tabs on even in today's bullshit scenario where it's all labeled "fake news" by our corporate overseers! And I moved into a very multicultural older city neighborhood back in 2000. Big advantage of that compared to most cities in the US outside of New York is if I want a personal pov of what's happening in Afghanistan, I have a neighbour down the block I can talk to about it. It's the same thing that happened where I used to live when I got to know neighbors who were originally from Guatemala and El Salvador....a lot of shit our respectable media never told the public here about.
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Nemtsov called bullshit on Putin. He was a threat to Putin. When he was assassinated, he was in Moscow to organize protests against Russian intervention in Ukraine.
My issue with Nemtsov is this is the kind of asshole the US government apparatchiks pick to build a movement around! The US is too tone-deaf to consider that most Russians are disillusioned with the entire capitalist system itself, and want more than taxing oligarchs, they want their whole economic system changed back to a socialist economic system. If US schemers and planners in the CIA had an ounce of brains to go with their big sums of cash,they would have done something that worked so well for the Soviet Union back in the Cold War days: on a comparative shoestring budget, the KGB was able to find and finance the revolutionaries in US vassal states run by corrupt US-back landowning oligarchs. It wasn't until Afghanistan, that a US schemer-Zbig - got the idea of turning the tables on the Soviets...not by supporting a populist movement, but by bringing in the reactionary-supported religious zealots to wage war against ungodly communists in Kabul. The plan worked well for Brzinski, although he never would accept responsiblity for the blowback-starting the whole Al Qaeda and related Islamic State activism that has hurt US interests more than it has helped. So, let's see if the CIA can find something better to rally Russians around than Nemtsov or Kasparov! These assholes are already behind the 8-ball because so many Russians are fully aware that the US is trying to encourage Islamist and nationalist forces within their borders and destroy their country. Many leftists have said a number of times that clumsy US foreign policy is Putin's greatest asset in remaining as president, because as long as the US is encouraging the worst actors to destroy their country, Putin can claim to be the only man able to hold the country together!
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The majority of Russians did not support Russian intervention in Ukraine, which is why Putin denied involvement.
I'd like to see some numbers around those bones, cause from what I heard, Russians were outraged about the prospects of Crimea falling to Kievans early on and demanding military action....although as it turned out, the Russian forces based in Sevastopol were more than enough to do the job. But, when up to 850,000 Donbass residents flooded across the border into Russia at the height of the fighting(another thing our media wouldn't talk about) many Russians were volunteering to fight for the Donbass Brigades..including some high-ranking former officers. They more than matched the fascists from France, Germany and elsewhere going to fight with the Azov Battalion and other fascist militias in the west.

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To what "communism crap" are you referring? Your Bulgarian reference point does not apply to the goings-on in Russia, Belarus, or Ukraine. And your chiding me from a superior POV - if you take the time to actually think it all through - is nonsense. I'm married to a woman born in 1952. I've spent time in Ukraine and Russia, and not as a tourist. I've talked with the people there. Iow, I have first-hand knowledge. Ukrainians to a person love the personal freedoms and the opportunity to work for themselves, at least before Putin f**ked Ukraine.
You went there and yet you don't have anything specific to report?
Did you ever get to Transnistria, where one of my neighbors and sources is from? The little Russian enclave in the mountains between Ukraine and Moldova? I'm reminded again of them and other minorities...lately it's fascist Azovs attacking Hungarians in northern Ukraine, who had stayed out of the conflict previously that are now targeted with ethnic cleansing. This is another one of the reasons why Putin, unlike the other eastern republic leaders is very reticent about invoking nationalistic fervor. He has to do it a little, cause how else do you tell a narrative after the fall of communism, but Russia is divided with many ethnic groups and so are the other nations that are about to blow apart worse than the Middle East now, including Poland and Ukraine and the Baltics. There are Russian populations in all of these regions, all expecting Russia to come to their aid like they did in Georgia and Ukraine.

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Yes, in countries with totalitarian governments, keeping your head down increases your safety level, but who the hell wants to live like that? You? Not me. Not anyone I met in Russia or Ukraine. I agree that the US, Iran, and Russia should have stayed out of Syria, but by the living God, you're now standing tall for Assad?
Here's why: you probably never saw this on CNN or in WaPo or NY Times, but recently we discovered that the so called independent journalists at the Intercept have been sitting on this story for three years about how one of their cables they received from Ed Snowden revealed the Saudis and allies started that fucking so called free syria army that invaded Syria early on:
The Intercept Withheld NSA Doc That May Have Altered Course Of Syrian War*|* SHOAH

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Your hatred of all things American is again noted.
Americans who stand by what their government does in their name can fall with it!


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You must not understand the terror unleashed by the Bolsheviks, or hell, maybe you approve of it. Basically, the Bolsheviks armed the poorest, least educated people and told them to go out and kill all aristocrats, all owners of private property, basically anyone who'd had any power under the Tsarist regime, and anyone who resisted collectivization such as farmers who'd tilled the soil of family farms.
From what I heard of the almost daily narratives of the Revolution, it started when a large group of women working in the mills in St. Petersburg went on strike on International Women's Day, and as they marched before they could be attacked by police they called out the men working in factories to come out and join them. Early on, the October Revolution was not carried out by the Bolsheviks, it was a collective action of the Soviet committees. The problems that happened afterwards can be largely attributed to the attacks from the White Russians and all the imperialists who were able to join together to attack the new revolution in spite of sending armies at each other for four years!

When it's all said and done, I don't give a crap about how good or not the Soviet experience was..to me what's important was this was a time when an attempt was made to change the ruling order of capitalism that had become entrenched since the 1700's, and try something different. Now that capitalism has destroyed this planet and is about to set the stage for global war again, don't point fingers at communism, when the most dangerous and avaricious system of government and economics still dominates the world and is housed in the USA whether you want to take responsibility for all its evils or not!
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