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Old November 15th, 2017, 02:05 PM   #1
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5 Articles of Impeachment Against Trump

So glad that these five articles were introduced today.

I don't expect them to get anywhere, of course. But, it sends a strong message that there are one helluva lot of people who despise him and aren't interested in having an American dictator.

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A half-dozen Democrats on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, accusing him of obstruction of justice and other offenses, in a long-shot effort that stands little chance in the Republican-led House.

Indeed, the large majority of Democrats seem intent on having nothing to do with the effort either as lawmakers await the results of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Democratic leaders have argued that the impeachment campaign riles up Trump's GOP base, a critical bloc in next year's midterm elections.

The five articles accused the president of obstruction of justice related to the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, undermining the independence of the federal judiciary and other offenses.

"We have taken this action because of great concerns for the country and our Constitution and our national security and our democracy," Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said at a news conference to announce the effort.

Cohen said he understands that Republicans hold the majority in the House and are unlikely to allow hearings on the impeachment articles. He said the group will hold occasional briefings to explain each of the five articles of impeachment and where they believe Trump ran afoul of the law or committed misdeeds that warrant impeachment.

The obstruction of justice allegation stems from Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey, which the lawmakers say was designed to delay and impede an investigation.

The articles of impeachment also charge that Trump has accepted without the consent of Congress emoluments from foreign states and from the U.S. government. Finally, the articles of impeachment allege he has undermined the federal judiciary and the freedom of the press.

Cohen and other leaders of the impeachment effort disagreed that their effort could hurt Democrats in next year's congressional elections.

"I think the Democratic base needs to be activated. The Democratic base needs to know there are members of Congress willing to stand up against this president," Cohen said.

Other lawmakers who have signed onto to the resolution are Democratic Reps. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, Al Green of Texas, Marcia Fudge of Ohio, Adriano Espaillat of New York and John Yarmuth of Kentucky.

Gutierrez said he wasn't afraid to support the resolution despite the concerns of some fellow Democrats.

"I see a crime and I have a responsibility to dial 911 immediately. I don't call and try to reach my consensus with all my neighbors and all my friends and those whose opinion I might seek out," Gutierrez said.

A spokesman for the Republican National Committee criticized the effort.

"House Democrats lack a positive message and are completely unwilling to work across the aisle, so instead they've decided to support a baseless radical effort that the vast majority of Americans disagree with," said spokesman Michael Ahrens.
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So glad that these five articles were introduced today.

I don't expect them to get anywhere, of course. But, it sends a strong message that there are one helluva lot of people who despise him and aren't interested in having an American dictator.
About time!
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Old November 15th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #3
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pathetic democrats cant deal with the fact that they lost. unfortunately for the political left, such democrats dont realise how bad they make the political left look. bunch of whingeing crybabies, "i dont like the result of the last election, get my lawyer!".
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so you think that obstruction of justice at the highest level of government should be ignored?
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Pathetic buffoons that don't even know what constitutes obstruction of justice. It involves a court proceeding, and not an investigation. President Trump was free to fire James Comey, just as Bill Clinton was to fire William Sessions.

Yeah, there are stupid Repubs in the House, but among Democrats it is the norm.
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Pathetic buffoons that don't even know what constitutes obstruction of justice. It involves a court proceeding, and not an investigation. President Trump was free to fire James Comey, just as Bill Clinton was to fire William Sessions.

Yeah, there are stupid Repubs in the House, but among Democrats it is the norm.
Tell that to the ghost of Nixon.
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Pathetic buffoons that don't even know what constitutes obstruction of justice. It involves a court proceeding, and not an investigation. President Trump was free to fire James Comey, just as Bill Clinton was to fire William Sessions.

Yeah, there are stupid Repubs in the House, but among Democrats it is the norm.
Wrong again.

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What is definition of obstruction of justice?

:the crime or act of willfully interfering with the process of justice and law especially by influencing, threatening, harming, or impeding a witness, potential witness, juror, or judicial or legal officer or by furnishing false information in or otherwise impeding an investigation or legal process.

The acts by which justice is obstructed may include bribery, murder, intimidation, and the use of physical force against witnesses, law enforcement officers or court officials.
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Wrong again.


Sorry but you are wrong, I am correct. My authority is the actual manual used by the DoJ, which itself cites court precedent. Obstruction of justice involves the judicial power, an FBI investigation is not the judicial power.

As well we have James Comey under oath testifying that President Trump was not under investigation.

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The United States Supreme Court appears to side with those courts requiring specific intent to obstruct as an element of a section 1503 offense. In United States v. Aguilar, ___ U.S. ___, 115 S.Ct. 2357, 2362 (1995), the Court commented that for there to be a violation of section 1503, "[t]he action taken by the accused must be with an intent to influence judicial or grand jury proceedings. . . ." Id. at 2362. Although Aguilar was decided on other grounds, the clear implication of the Court's statement is that a specific intent to obstruct is required under the statute.
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Nixon only had obstruction of justice article of impeachment filed after he refused a court order that the Supreme Court upheld. Same with Bill Clinton when he was found to have suborned perjury and conspired to lie to the court.

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Just no no no no no !!!!! The LAST thing we need is to impeach tRump. The best we can do is simply grin and bare it for the next three years. If we bounce trump WE GET PENCE and that fucker is dangerous. Trump is a buffoon acting at being president. Pence is a career politician that knows how to maneuver the system. Worse he's a fanatic that truly believes his personal religious beliefs trump (all pun intended) our constitutional rights. The LAST thing I want is Pence as president.
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Sorry but you are wrong, I am correct. My authority is the actual manual used by the DoJ, which itself cites court precedent. Obstruction of justice involves the judicial power, an FBI investigation is not the judicial power.

As well we have James Comey under oath testifying that President Trump was not under investigation.



https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...irement-18-usc

Nixon only had obstruction of justice article of impeachment filed after he refused a court order that the Supreme Court upheld. Same with Bill Clinton when he was found to have suborned perjury and conspired to lie to the court.
Except that lying to a cop or interfering with a police investigation does influence judicial or grand jury proceedings since they don't have correct information or all the information needed.
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