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Old December 5th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #51
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I answered that several times...pay attention....This country's great wealth was created by entrepreneurs.....Even the wealthiest of the wealthy started with some little guy someplace with an idea, worked like a mule, took risk and expanded their investments.. It is the protection of that idea (property) that was the basis of our Constitution....Only a hard core Marxist/Socialist would try to say that the wealth is created because of the Government provided all these benefits....
Simplistic generations. If you read Obama's entire speech, and have adequate reading comprehension skills, you would understand that Obama did NOT claim that a business's success was due SOLELY to government benefits.

Read the damn speech, will you? It clearly says , "The point is, that when we succeed, we succeed because of INDIVIDUAL initiative, but ALSO because we do things together."

Now, what's so hard to understand?
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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #52
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The Government does not help anybody. HUH??

So our military hasn't helped you? Our public schools haven't helped you? Did you PAY for the military to help you during WWII...? Did you pay for the highways and bridges built 50 years ago? .
Of course I did not pay for things 50, 60 or 100 years ago....But my predecessors did...just as I am paying, right now, for your grandchildren's (I have none) infrastructure.....

This whole argument gets right to the core of the ideology of the right vs the left....You and your tribe (headed by Obama)....believe that government is Omnipotent....That there is some sort of Uncle Sammy sitting in D.C., or some state capital, or county seat that dispenses good will on the grateful citizens...That all wealth belongs to the Government and it dispenses it to the citizens as they need it...Nothing could get done if it were not for the benevolence of the Government......

And my side says BULLSHIT!!.. ..Because my side (including the framer's of the Constitution) believes that the Government's (federal, state or local) roll is to serve the people....That government is necessary but, inherently evil... Very similar to fire....You need fire to heat your house, but without strict diligence that same fire can burn your house down....

It is the same with Government... It's primary reason is to provide protection from outside forces interfering with the entrepreneur (which the entrepreneur pays for in taxes)...But, it can very easily become a liability with excessive taxes and regulations...So, Obama's July 2012 diatribe puts government (including public education) up as the foundation of entrepreneurship....and all entrepreneurs are equal.... And owe the government some sort of thanks.....BULLfuckingSHIT!!!
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Simplistic generations. If you read Obama's entire speech, and have adequate reading comprehension skills, you would understand that Obama did NOT claim that a business's success was due SOLELY to government benefits.

Read the damn speech, will you? It clearly says , "The point is, that when we succeed, we succeed because of INDIVIDUAL initiative, but ALSO because we do things together."

Now, what's so hard to understand?
ASSHAT.... I listened to the damned speech in a hotel room at the Harrisburg Hilton in July 2012...when the big-eared one said it....I know exactly what he said...And when I read it, I still see the same arrogant logic in it..... You Need Government to survive....
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ASSHAT.... I listened to the damned speech in a hotel room at the Harrisburg Hilton in July 2012...when the big-eared one said it....I know exactly what he said...And when I read it, I still see the same arrogant logic in it..... You Need Government to survive....
Watch your mouth.
Why would anyone here care when or where you listened to the speech?
Is the portion of his speech that I quoted accurate or is it not?
If you agree it's accurate what is there in the words you do not understand?

"You need Government to survive" is YOUR interpretation of his words.
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ASSHAT.... I listened to the damned speech in a hotel room at the Harrisburg Hilton in July 2012...when the big-eared one said it....I know exactly what he said...And when I read it, I still see the same arrogant logic in it..... You Need Government to survive....
You provide a great example of a mind seriously impaired by years and years of ODS.

Just because you listened to the speech doesn't mean you heard it.

Anyone with a functioning logical mind can understand Obama's point, which is correct.

So, either your mind has been damaged by ODS, or, you're just a dumb guy. I think you're a pretty smart guy, so.....
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Watch your mouth.
Why would anyone here care when or where you listened to the speech?
Is the portion of his speech that I quoted accurate or is it not?
If you agree it's accurate what is there in the words you do not understand?

"You need Government to survive" is YOUR interpretation of his words.
I posted the remark in context. Here it is again:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn't – look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
I can see how an ODS-riddled mind would take the comment out of context and seethe with over the top anger for five years.
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You provide a great example of a mind seriously impaired by years and years of ODS.

Just because you listened to the speech doesn't mean you heard it.

Anyone with a functioning logical mind can understand Obama's point, which is correct.

So, either your mind has been damaged by ODS, or, you're just a dumb guy. I think you're a pretty smart guy, so.....

Explain to me how it is wrong for me to take offense with what Obama said about the creation and running of a business....And somehow it is alright for the media (and by extension the anti-Trumpets) to take offense and accuse Trump for aligning with White Supremacists because he said there were people looking to start trouble within the protesters at Charlottsville VA.?? (he was referring to ANTIFA)

Why is it that only your side seems to have the right to be offended..??

Can you do that civilly and not resort to insult....?? Hollywood you too....
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Explain to me how it is wrong for me to take offense with what Obama said about the creation and running of a business....And somehow it is alright for the media (and by extension the anti-Trumpets) to take offense and accuse Trump for aligning with White Supremacists because he said there were people looking to start trouble within the protesters at Charlottsville VA.?? (he was referring to ANTIFA)

Why is it that only your side seems to have the right to be offended..??

Can you do that civilly and not resort to insult....?? Hollywood you too....
I can respond with civility. Read Obama’s full quote that IT posted in post #56. Obama never referred to creating and running a business.
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I can respond with civility. Read Obama’s full quote that IT posted in post #56. Obama never referred to creating and running a business.
Fail......There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn't – look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.


That was too easy.....
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Old December 6th, 2017, 02:25 PM   #60
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Explain to me how it is wrong for me to take offense with what Obama said about the creation and running of a business....And somehow it is alright for the media (and by extension the anti-Trumpets) to take offense and accuse Trump for aligning with White Supremacists because he said there were people looking to start trouble within the protesters at Charlottsville VA.?? (he was referring to ANTIFA)

Why is it that only your side seems to have the right to be offended..??

Can you do that civilly and not resort to insult....?? Hollywood you too....
Dude, you are making no sense whatsoever. You are ignoring context completely and focusing on a few words taken out of context and ACTING AS IF those were the only words said on the matter.
Now you can choose to be offended by pretty much anything you wish to. But that is a CHOICE, don't expect other people to support your being irrational and/or not point out that it is indeed irrational.
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