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Old December 1st, 2017, 12:05 PM   #81
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I will state again, Iraq war was a re escalation of the first, because Saddam was not abiding by the cease fire rules and Clinton did nothing about it for 8 years other than bomb an aspirin factory. Afghanistan also a product of Clinton not understanding who he was dealing with!
No, Bush claimed that they were starting up a nuclear program and wanted a pre-emptive war so that we didn’t get our wake up call in the form of a “mushroom cloud”, your revisionist history aside.
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Working hard on misdirecting today, aren't we??... We ain't talking about what Clinton did in Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia....or Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan.... that has nothing to do with this....

Focus here now....Clinton gave Kim Il Sun oil to generate electricity so he would not need nuclear electrical generation...And Father Kim promised not to develop nukes.....How did that work out??....Simple question...
Bush and Cheney applied sanctions on North Korea and North Korea responded by kicking out the IAEA inspectors. That was the beginning of their unfettered nuclear program.
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No, Bush claimed that they were starting up a nuclear program and wanted a pre-emptive war so that we didn’t get our wake up call in the form of a “mushroom cloud”, your revisionist history aside.
Your revisionist history aside....There were 23 reasons (whereas clauses) presented to Congress to get the Authorization to Use Force, in Iraq.... Congress passed it, overwhelmingly.... Don't make us go there...

This thread is about North Korea, not Bush and Iraq....
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Bush and Cheney applied sanctions on North Korea and North Korea responded by kicking out the IAEA inspectors. That was the beginning of their unfettered nuclear program.
Bush and Cheney did that??....I thought it had to be authorized by Congress?? ... But what does the Vice President have to do with it??.....

once more, Your revisionist history aside.... It was during the Clinton Administration that the Kims decided they needed nukes, and there is evidence they were co-operating and in collusion with the Iranians..

Kicking out the IAEA should have provoked a serious response, but I would assume Bush II did not want to be tied up in a war in a 3rd country...
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Your revisionist history aside....There were 23 reasons (whereas clauses) presented to Congress to get the Authorization to Use Force, in Iraq.... Congress passed it, overwhelmingly.... Don't make us go there...

This thread is about North Korea, not Bush and Iraq....
Tell that to Sensible. He brought up Iraq, not me.
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Bush and Cheney did that??....I thought it had to be authorized by Congress?? ... But what does the Vice President have to do with it??.....

once more, Your revisionist history aside.... It was during the Clinton Administration that the Kims decided they needed nukes, and there is evidence they were co-operating and in collusion with the Iranians..

Kicking out the IAEA should have provoked a serious response, but I would assume Bush II did not want to be tied up in a war in a 3rd country...
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In 1994, the Bill Clinton administration negotiated an agreement with North Korea to essentially freeze its nascent nuclear program in exchange for the eventual construction of two light-water reactors. North Korea’s program was clearly created to churn out nuclear weapons; the reactor at Yongbyon was not connected to the power grid and appeared only designed to produce plutonium, a key ingredient for nuclear weapons. The theory of the deal was that, with the plant shuttered and the plutonium under the close watch of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), North Korea would not be able to produce a bomb.

So how did North Korea get its hands on the nuclear material? George W. Bush became president in 2001 and was highly skeptical of Clinton’s deal with North Korea. The new administration terminated missile talks with Pyongyang and then spent months trying to develop its own policy.

Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly-enriched uranium. The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it.

In response, the Bush administration terminated a supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons, using the material in radioactive fuel rods that previously had been under the close watch of the IAEA. Japan and South Korea, the key partners in the accord, were not happy with the decision to terminate the Agreed Framework, but there was little they could do about it.

After North Korea conducted its first nuclear test in 2006, the Bush administration tried desperately to negotiate a new accord with Pyongyang, including offering new concessions, but those efforts ultimately failed. The nuclear genie by then was out of the bottle.
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I know my history, you don’t.
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In 1994, the Bill Clinton administration negotiated an agreement with North Korea to essentially freeze its nascent nuclear program in exchange for the eventual construction of two light-water reactors. North Korea’s program was clearly created to churn out nuclear weapons; the reactor at Yongbyon was not connected to the power grid and appeared only designed to produce plutonium, a key ingredient for nuclear weapons. The theory of the deal was that, with the plant shuttered and the plutonium under the close watch of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), North Korea would not be able to produce a bomb.

So how did North Korea get its hands on the nuclear material? George W. Bush became president in 2001 and was highly skeptical of Clinton’s deal with North Korea. The new administration terminated missile talks with Pyongyang and then spent months trying to develop its own policy.

Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly-enriched uranium. The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it.


In response, the Bush administration terminated a supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons, using the material in radioactive fuel rods that previously had been under the close watch of the IAEA. Japan and South Korea, the key partners in the accord, were not happy with the decision to terminate the Agreed Framework, but there was little they could do about it.

After North Korea conducted its first nuclear test in 2006, the Bush administration tried desperately to negotiate a new accord with Pyongyang, including offering new concessions, but those efforts ultimately failed. The nuclear genie by then was out of the bottle.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-nuclear-deal/
So according to that the Norks went from plutonium breeders to Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) in breach of the Clinton agreement... So Bush stopped the oil deliveries.... Clinton still was the original source of failing to deal with the Norks...

HEU.....to create that you need centrifuges....which the Iranians were building....any connection there??
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So according to that the Norks went from plutonium breeders to Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) in breach of the Clinton agreement... So Bush stopped the oil deliveries.... Clinton still was the original source of failing to deal with the Norks...

HEU.....to create that you need centrifuges....which the Iranians were building....any connection there??
Nope, you didn’t read closely. The IAEA inspectors controlled the components necessary to advance the program before Bush/Cheney moved to kill the Clinton deal in lieu of their own which they never successfully negotiated. Thus allowing the genie out of the bottle.
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Nope, you didn’t read closely. The IAEA inspectors controlled the components necessary to advance the program before Bush/Cheney moved to kill the Clinton deal in lieu of their own which they never successfully negotiated. Thus allowing the genie out of the bottle.
What components did the IAEA control??....the plutonium breeders or the centrifuges??
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Working hard on misdirecting today, aren't we??... We ain't talking about what Clinton did in Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia....or Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan.... that has nothing to do with this....

Focus here now....Clinton gave Kim Il Sun oil to generate electricity so he would not need nuclear electrical generation...And Father Kim promised not to develop nukes.....How did that work out??....Simple question...
The son is not the father. *shrug*
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