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Old December 3rd, 2017, 05:07 PM   #11
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Marijuana and hashish are LEGAL in Denver. So why in the hell would anyone take Kratom? What the hell is Kratom? Shit sounds dangerous, like something from another planet, or frozen feces falling off a jetliner. Or like PCP which makes people crazy and wanting to fight the Devil.

In Denver, you can get single malt and hashish. So why fool with the bad dope?
I know a number of people take it, many who have been able to completely free themselves from pharmaceuticals others from addictions such as dope and booze. It is related to the coffee plant and had no psychoactive effects.

To the millions of people who take it is a godsend.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 05:19 PM   #12
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Kratom always gave me unbearable migraines but just because I had a bad experience with it doesn't mean everyone else does.

A bit silly criminalizing substances in general anyway. Doesn't solve anything.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 05:39 PM   #13
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Kratom always gave me unbearable migraines but just because I had a bad experience with it doesn't mean everyone else does.

A bit silly criminalizing substances in general anyway. Doesn't solve anything.
Unless you are the pharmaceutical companies.
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Unless you are the pharmaceutical companies.
Bingo.

The pharmaceutical companies know or should know that they are producing way more opioids than any legal use justifies.

But hey, it's "regulated" capitalism at its finest: an illegal market for "legal" junk exists, and they step up and supply the product at a profit.
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Bingo.

The pharmaceutical companies know or should know that they are producing way more opioids than any legal use justifies.

But hey, it's "regulated" capitalism at its finest: an illegal market for "legal" junk exists, and they step up and supply the product at a profit.
I get what you're saying, but that is an law enforcement issue. One cannot expect the pharm company to restrict production, as that would impact the availability for legitimate use and maybe drive up the cost of those that truly need it as per doctor's guidelines and supervision.
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I get what you're saying, but that is an law enforcement issue. One cannot expect the pharm company to restrict production, as that would impact the availability for legitimate use and maybe drive up the cost of those that truly need it as per doctor's guidelines and supervision.
There seems to be no shortage of oxy or vicodin, or fentanyl on the street, but ask legal users about the pinch being put on them.
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Bingo.

The pharmaceutical companies know or should know that they are producing way more opioids than any legal use justifies.

But hey, it's "regulated" capitalism at its finest: an illegal market for "legal" junk exists, and they step up and supply the product at a profit.
It has been outlawed in Thailand for somd time, as it interferes in the opium trade. It just grows wild in the jungle.
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I get what you're saying, but that is an law enforcement issue. One cannot expect the pharm company to restrict production, as that would impact the availability for legitimate use and maybe drive up the cost of those that truly need it as per doctor's guidelines and supervision.
They marked oxy as an addiction free solution to tbe Percocet problem. Also up until late 90s early 2000s Dr were told that they could not over prescribe pain meds. Add that to the lobbying power and the bombardment of sales reps in hospitals and IMO those companies are responsible for the opiate epidemic that we are witnessing.


Now some people try to counter this with spirits manufacturers and alcoholism and that is not even close. People drink recreationally and most know the dangers where as they trust the medical industry and believs they are being given things to make them well. Not enslaving them to a substance.
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There seems to be no shortage of oxy or vicodin, or fentanyl on the street, but ask legal users about the pinch being put on them.
They are now tested when they go into get a new prescription to make sure that their levels match their prescription.

In otherwords take thd max every day or get cut off.

I think that there are only 2 or 3 dr in MN that can prescribe the weed though and even then itnis the synthetic.

Shame.

But the fda wants to stop kratom from coming in because...
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