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Old December 3rd, 2017, 10:45 AM   #1
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A question for conservatives/Republicans

The whole mantra of being the party of fiscal responsibility. Constant criticism of the left as being in favor of "tax and spend". And you all cheer this tax bill that is going to increase the deficit and the debt as reported by several independent organizations, even with optimistic estimates of economic growth.

Isn't that classic hypocrisy?
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The whole mantra of being the party of fiscal responsibility. Constant criticism of the left as being in favor of "tax and spend". And you all cheer this tax bill that is going to increase the deficit and the debt as reported by several independent organizations, even with optimistic estimates of economic growth.

Isn't that classic hypocrisy?
This has been the GOP MO for almost 30 years now. Scream about “smaller government”. Fiscal and personal “responsibility” and then when given any power chuck that out the window for their obsession with military spending (and the accompanying fiscal IRRESPONSIBILITY) and their conservative “social issues (and the accompanying increase in government size and power and the removal of personal responsibility in favor of Big Brother style of government)
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I'll say it again, the "Right" and the "Left" wing belong to the same bird.
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Do you understand why we do not care if the debt increases due to this tax bill is simply because all administrations prior to Trump also did not care or did nothing to reduce our deficit?

It is obvious that the people are attempting to hold this President to a higher standard that none of them held this higher standard in their own activities.
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The Political class all work for the same people.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 11:56 AM   #6
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Do you understand why we do not care if the debt increases due to this tax bill is simply because all administrations prior to Trump also did not care or did nothing to reduce our deficit?

It is obvious that the people are attempting to hold this President to a higher standard that none of them held this higher standard in their own activities.
The track record of Democratic Party presidents reducing deficits/debt makes that factually incorrect.

Plus there is the hypocrisy analogous to the party of family values hypocrisy.
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The whole mantra of being the party of fiscal responsibility. Constant criticism of the left as being in favor of "tax and spend". And you all cheer this tax bill that is going to increase the deficit and the debt as reported by several independent organizations, even with optimistic estimates of economic growth.

Isn't that classic hypocrisy?
It only adds to the deficit if the Economy sees <0.4% increase in GDP growth over 2016 levels.. 2016 GDP Growth was 1.6%...

What is the Current GDP Growth 3.3%

is 3.3-1.6 = >0.4?
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Do you understand why we do not care if the debt increases due to this tax bill is simply because all administrations prior to Trump also did not care or did nothing to reduce our deficit?

It is obvious that the people are attempting to hold this President to a higher standard that none of them held this higher standard in their own activities.


Let's take a walk down memory lane, Barbie, and review some basics in government/ economics.
Some of the debt increase was already projected to occur before anything was signed by Obama. Moreover, spending and tax decisions are primarily the responsibility of Congress – at least officially – and often end up being the result of actions (or inactions) agreed upon by both Congress and the president.
Measuring debt in dollars fails to account for inflation or the fact that the economy and population are larger in 2016 than they were in 2008. AND perhaps you remember something called "The Great Recession", which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt. Was the recession Obama's fault? Was the recession Congress' fault?
Now back to budgets and deficits. It is Congress that passes tax and spending legislation. There is little the president can do to impact the debt, positively or negatively, without a bill passed by Congress. Conversely, there is little Congress can do without the president's signature or a veto-proof supermajority. So it's complicated, particularly when you have a split-party Congress.
Trump, on the other hand, has complete control of Congress--well sorta--and the GOP Congress knew exactly what they were doing when they shoved the tax bill through. They intentionally threw gasoline on an already explosive deficit.
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Trump is being held to a MUCH LOWER standard than any other president in history.
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The track record of Democratic Party presidents reducing deficits/debt makes that factually incorrect.

Plus there is the hypocrisy analogous to the party of family values hypocrisy.
True, but it's part of the show. While the deficit is bad, it's the debt that will kill us. People need to understand that EVERY dollar in circulation is a loan from the Fed at interest. I wish I could say that I have never seen anyone type or say "The United States can never default, we can just PRINT the money we need". That is a sad state of affairs.
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The track record of Democratic Party presidents reducing deficits/debt makes that factually incorrect.

Plus there is the hypocrisy analogous to the party of family values hypocrisy.
Mr RNG.. (Presidents don't create deficits) READ THE DAMN US CONSTITUTION?

(HINT START WITH ARTICLE 1 section 8 clauses 1 and 2 {powers vested to congress}



ARTICLE I
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
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