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Old December 6th, 2017, 08:31 AM   #51
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Fine. If you decide the woman should have the baby whether she likes it or not, whether she is financially, mentally & emotionally, stable enough to have it and raise it or not then YOU pay for the care of the woman while pregnant, make sure she has proper pre-natal care, etc. and you care for the resulting baby until at least age 18.
If you're not prepared to do that then stay out of it and let the woman make her own choice.
That is why we have the other A "adoption'"
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Old December 6th, 2017, 08:40 AM   #52
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That is why we have the other A "adoption'"
STILL the woman's choice to make.
I am NOT pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #53
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Rape, incest, and medical emergencies, account for less than 3% of all abortions, the rest are for convenience.
There is a fine myth created by the anti-abortionists. Total bullshit, of course.

In the real world....

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives
CONTEXT: Understanding women’s reasons for having abortions can inform public debate and policy regarding abor- tion and unwanted pregnancy. Demographic changes over the last two decades highlight the need for a reassess- ment of why women decide to have abortions.

METHODS: In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

CONCLUSIONS: The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study.

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2005, 37(3):110–118
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Old December 6th, 2017, 09:36 AM   #54
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Shit happens. *shrug*
We can re-start the entire debate concerning "human baby", "clump of cells", etc. etc. etc. for the 10,000 fucking time if you want to, but i don't won't go there.
It's inside the woman's body, it's her business, between her, her doctor and her higher power. Just stay out of it is my advice.

If only you people cared as passionately about children AFTER they are born as you claim to BEFORE they are born.
That is a horrible thing to say of course we care which is why we teach responsibility, also why Christian families are likely to adopt. How are we not passionate about children after they are born?
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There is a fine myth created by the anti-abortionists. Total bullshit, of course.

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Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives
CONTEXT: Understanding women’s reasons for having abortions can inform public debate and policy regarding abor- tion and unwanted pregnancy. Demographic changes over the last two decades highlight the need for a reassess- ment of why women decide to have abortions.

METHODS: In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

CONCLUSIONS: The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study.

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2005, 37(3):110–118

Thank you, all of those reasons are convenience, not rape, incest, or medical emergency, you lose!
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STILL the woman's choice to make.
I am NOT pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
Why do fathers not sue the crap out of the mothers if they kill the baby without their consent? I would love to see that case.
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Thank you, all of those reasons are convenience, not rape, incest, or medical emergency, you lose!
More to the point, every single abortion was the choice of the woman involved.
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Why do fathers not sue the crap out of the mothers if they kill the baby without their consent? I would love to see that case.
Because those men have no legal standing until after the child is born.
You may want to see such a case but you won’t because it would be tossed.
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That is why we have the other A "adoption'"
And then you turn around and try to make it so that same sex couples can’t adopt!
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No, what dies is NOT THEIR BODY it is the BABY'S BODY.
Continuing to call it a baby doesn’t make it a baby.
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