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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #71
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Here is one for the gruesome abortion lovers,

During Pregnancy, If The Mother Suffers Organ Damage, The Baby in The Womb Sends Stem Cells to Repair the Damaged Organ. - Mind Blowing Facts
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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:32 AM   #72
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That is a horrible thing to say of course we care which is why we teach responsibility, also why Christian families are likely to adopt. How are we not passionate about children after they are born?
Nonsense You preach YOUR definition of 'responsibility" and are very careful not to include anything in it's definition that might cost you a dime or a minute of your time.
Being a authoritarian control freak is NOT the same thing as "caring.".
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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:33 AM   #73
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Why do fathers not sue the crap out of the mothers if they kill the baby without their consent? I would love to see that case.
No idea. Is anything stopping them from doing just that?
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For those that think those in the womb are "Tissue"

http://theabortionsurvivors.com/
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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #75
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Actually, in real life, they are choosing to not be pregnant at that time....for any number of reasons, many of which are very good reasons......like they are too young or too old, they got raped, the pregnency is a result of incest, they are unable to financially support a child, etc., etc. Flushing out a cluster of cells that is not yet a human being but only has the potential to possibly become a person is not murder, no matter what superstitions you cling to.
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Rape, incest, and medical emergencies, account for less than 3% of all abortions, the rest are for convenience.
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There is a fine myth created by the anti-abortionists. Total bullshit, of course.

In the real world....

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives
CONTEXT: Understanding womenís reasons for having abortions can inform public debate and policy regarding abor- tion and unwanted pregnancy. Demographic changes over the last two decades highlight the need for a reassess- ment of why women decide to have abortions.

METHODS: In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a womanís education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parentsí or partnersí desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

CONCLUSIONS: The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study.

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2005, 37(3):110Ė118
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Thank you, all of those reasons are convenience, not rape, incest, or medical emergency, you lose!
All of your responses are idiotic and fraudulent.

For one thing, for just rape alone, not counting incest or medical emergencies....

In a 1996 study, researchers at the Medical University of South Carolina set out to determine the rape-related pregnancy rate in the United States. They estimated that about 5 percent of rape victims of reproductive age (12 to 45) become pregnant ó a percentage that results in about 32,000 pregnancies each year.

For another thing, claiming that the reasons given are all just "for convenience" is male supremacist bogus bullshit.

As I said earlier, women choose to not be pregnant for a variety of good reasons....."like they are too young or too old, they got raped, the pregnency is a result of incest, they are unable to financially support a child, etc., etc." The article I cited said: "The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a womanís education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child."

In your fanatically crackpot anti-abortion cult, is it really just a matter of a woman's personal "convenience" that...
* the pregnant woman is just a child and can't responsibly raise another child...
* she is too old to raise a child...
* having a baby would prevent her from having a job...
* she is currently too poor to properly support a baby/child/adolescent...
* she is single and feels unable to raise a child by herself...
* she and her spouse are going through a bitter divorce...
* having another baby would prevent her from properly caring for her other dependents...
* having a baby would prevent her from completing her education that she needs to get a good job to make enough money to properly raise the baby that she wants to have, but not just now.

It is a woman's body and her right to make her own choices about what happens to her body.....not yours or any other man's, no matter what patriarchal macho superstitions you may cling to about the matter.
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All of your responses are idiotic and fraudulent.

For one thing, for just rape alone, not counting incest or medical emergencies....

In a 1996 study, researchers at the Medical University of South Carolina set out to determine the rape-related pregnancy rate in the United States. They estimated that about 5 percent of rape victims of reproductive age (12 to 45) become pregnant — a percentage that results in about 32,000 pregnancies each year.

For another thing, claiming that the reasons given are all just "for convenience" is male supremacist bogus bullshit.

As I said earlier, women choose to not be pregnant for a variety of good reasons....."like they are too young or too old, they got raped, the pregnency is a result of incest, they are unable to financially support a child, etc., etc." The article I cited said: "The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child."

In your fanatically crackpot anti-abortion cult, is it really just a matter of a woman's personal "convenience" that...
* the pregnant woman is just a child and can't responsibly raise another child...
* she is too old to raise a child...
* having a baby would prevent her from having a job...
* she is currently too poor to properly support a baby/child/adolescent...
* she is single and feels unable to raise a child by herself...
* she and her spouse are going through a bitter divorce...
* having another baby would prevent her from properly caring for her other dependents...
* having a baby would prevent her from completing her education that she needs to get a good job to make enough money to properly raise the baby that she wants to have, but not just now.

It is a woman's body and her right to make her own choices about what happens to her body.....not yours or any other man's, no matter what patriarchal macho superstitions you may cling to about the matter.

She waved the right when she participated in an act with another party, that resulted in pregnancy where the child is part of both!

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
Estimates of the annual numbers of PBAs in the United States range from 2,200 to 5,000, with documented annual numbers between 1996 and 2005 ranging from 76 to 1,642.[37]

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Summary and conclusions: Based on the preceding analyses, the following composite estimated percentages are suggested (with parenthetical values giving the ranges of values from the above studies and analyses):



REASONS FOR ABORTIONS: COMPILED ESTIMATES

rape 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)
incest 0.03 % (0.01-0.1 %)
physical life of mother 0.1 % (0.01-0.2 %)
physical health of mother 0.8 % (0.1-3 %)
fetal health 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)
mental health of mother ?? (0.1-8 %)
elective
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection
--selective reduction 98.3% (87-99 %)
--? (32 %)
--30% (25-40 %)
--? (16 %)
--? (12-13 %)
--? (4-8 %)
--0.1% (<0.1-? %)
--0.1% (<0.1-0.4 %)
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She waved the right when she participated in an act with another party, that resulted in pregnancy where the child is part of both!

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
Estimates of the annual numbers of PBAs in the United States range from 2,200 to 5,000, with documented annual numbers between 1996 and 2005 ranging from 76 to 1,642.[37]

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Summary and conclusions: Based on the preceding analyses, the following composite estimated percentages are suggested (with parenthetical values giving the ranges of values from the above studies and analyses):



REASONS FOR ABORTIONS: COMPILED ESTIMATES

rape 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)
incest 0.03 % (0.01-0.1 %)
physical life of mother 0.1 % (0.01-0.2 %)
physical health of mother 0.8 % (0.1-3 %)
fetal health 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)
mental health of mother ?? (0.1-8 %)
elective
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection
--selective reduction 98.3% (87-99 %)
--? (32 %)
--30% (25-40 %)
--? (16 %)
--? (12-13 %)
--? (4-8 %)
--0.1% (<0.1-? %)
--0.1% (<0.1-0.4 %)
Nope. Who says she "waived" any rights, you?
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you cannot survive if find ourself in 20 feet of water and no way out.

So does that mean you are not human because you cannot survive?
That has to be the stupidest analogy Iíve ever heard!

How often do people drown vs. how often is a fetus in a womb?

EVERY fetus develops in a womb. What differentiates a fetus from a human being is the ability to survive outside the womb.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #79
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That has to be the stupidest analogy Iíve ever heard!

How often do people drown vs. how often is a fetus in a womb?

EVERY fetus develops in a womb. What differentiates a fetus from a human being is the ability to survive outside the womb.
You said the fetus would be in an environment it could not surivive so it is not human

Well In my analogy you too are in an environment you cannot survive..


so according to YOUR logic as stated if you are in an environment you cannot survive you want to claim you are human. Apples to apples.
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She waved the right when she participated in an act with another party, that resulted in pregnancy where the child is part of both!
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Where is that in the Constitution?
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