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Old December 6th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #31
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It's so difficult to engage in any discussion here except with three or four people except in the most simplistic black and white terms.

They are incapable of complex thought ... I don't even think they grasp the concept of what conplex thought is.

But, from reading their posts, you'd be sure they knew absolutely everything about everything.
You had expectations of having a intellectual conversation by posting that article, seriously?

I think you may have opened the wrong tab.

You may have thought you were posting here


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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:55 PM   #32
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I live in a majority-minority community also. My problem is so much of what's written about race relations in America is drilling down on these trivial skin and hair issues that are of little consequence compared to increased police budgets/declines in every other city department, gentrification of urban neighborhoods, rising housing costs, lack of decent jobs, closing public schools...there are so many things that should be in front of how you do your hair!
Race and class are two completely distinct things that do intersect, but are both distinct.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #33
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It's so difficult to engage in any discussion here except with three or four people except in the most simplistic black and white terms.

They are incapable of complex thought ... I don't even think they grasp the concept of what conplex thought is.

But, from reading their posts, you'd be sure they knew absolutely everything about everything.
Translation; people don't applaud my white guilt blogposting so everyone must be dumb.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 03:31 AM   #34
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NOt everyone - but, you, certainly.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 04:40 AM   #35
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It's so difficult to engage in any discussion here except with three or four people except in the most simplistic black and white terms.

They are incapable of complex thought ... I don't even think they grasp the concept of what conplex thought is.

But, from reading their posts, you'd be sure they knew absolutely everything about everything.


I agree and would add their inability to visualize the bigger picture, how their decisions impact others YEARS down the road. For decades, we have seen absolutely NO vision on the side of the GOP. Their talking points have remained the same, ol' simplistic twaddle--explaining away truth, data, statistics, evidence, precedents as Alternative Facts and Fake News.

AND now they have elected a president who hasn't had a complex thought IN HIS LIFE and they applaud that??
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I agree and would add their inability to visualize the bigger picture, how their decisions impact others YEARS down the road. For decades, we have seen absolutely NO vision on the side of the GOP. Their talking points have remained the same, ol' simplistic twaddle--explaining away truth, data, statistics, evidence, precedents as Alternative Facts and Fake News.

AND now they have elected a president who hasn't had a complex thought IN HIS LIFE and they applaud that??
I don't understand how a human being can type these letters on their keyboard and press submit. Like the level of delusion is just too much.
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It's so difficult to engage in any discussion here except with three or four people except in the most simplistic black and white terms.

They are incapable of complex thought ... I don't even think they grasp the concept of what conplex thought is.

But, from reading their posts, you'd be sure they knew absolutely everything about everything.
Reiteration #238: Findings and judgements; born from experience or opinions regardless of political leanings, but mostly anecdotal... come quickly and very harsh with no retraction or apologies, except in a rare instance. The only prerequisite for agreement is the holding of similar political beliefs or opinions. An open mind, sincere heart and honest verbal or written expression is not well valued at all like getting a home rum for the team that makes the other side look like nincompoops!

For the most part, No one likes or will thank a post on a forum, especially this one, because it is insightful and capable of changing views. But only because it confirms a prejudice against a different opinion and reinforces a false sense of moral superiority.

That is our societal atmosphere. The air we breathe and the poison that comes from our mouths is the fault of no one in particular from this forum. We all are a product of our tribal environment.

Very few dare to think outside of the box and away from their political comfort zone. That requires true bravery.

No one should be surprised when an understanding is lacking. Especially over a issue driven by emotion, passion, opinions and little, if any logic.

On the bright side. This can be fixed. But that would require courage of listening and being challenged. The abandonment of preconceived notions and a ridiculously unhealthy sense of self rightness. Sometimes the other side is right and your side is wrong.

Basically, we need to shut up and let others have their say, no matter how disagreeable. We may actually learn something that is worth a damn! Desiderata.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #39
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Not Every Black Experience Needs Your White Opinion

Actually, None of Them Do


I read this piece this morning, and thought, "My God - she's writing about me!" I mean, I hope not - but I'm sure she is. Because I'm opinionated and outspoken and quick to impart my viewpoint, I'm sure I've butted into a discussion which was not about me, not concerning my life, and not invited into.
So, for every time I've unintentionally offended - or, at the least, irritated, a POC unintentionally by speaking up when not wanted/needed/asked to, I'm posting this excellent article.
I'm sure those who need it most either won't read it, won't 'get it,' or won't care. But, for others, I hope we can take our white privilege and keep our mouths shut when they're not required ... at the least, I'm going to try.


I wear my hair natural. It’s thick and kinky, and I love it. But I will complain when it’s time to detangle and give it some love. I was talking about this process with a black coworker, when one of my white female coworkers overheard me and said, “Oh, I feel the same way about mine.” Then she flips her straight-ass hair over her shoulder. See? It’s mess like this right here. How is she gonna try to say she can relate to me? Seriously? Does she know about the culture surrounding black hair? No, Becky Jane. Just no.

What about when I discuss racism online and a white person says they’ve experienced racism, too, because they have red hair? And they can relate to what black folks go through? No, Sean, you can’t. First of all, the word “racism” — I don’t think that word means what you think it means. You probably faced discrimination, but you’re not being marginalized by systematic oppression that started when your ancestors were brought here as slaves. Nice try though. And when I talk about my ancestors being slaves, don’t respond with “So were the Irish.” No, they weren’t. Indentured servitude and slavery are not synonymous. And by the way, you’re an idiot. Man, everybody wanna be black until it’s time to actually be black. (highlight in original post)

And lest we forget those white people who see anything slated just for black folks — an event, a group, a damn Facebook post — and have to insert their needy selves, usually with some nonsense about us being divisive and racist. Yeah, there’s that word again. So Teri and Steve, when black people carve out space for us to talk just amongst ourselves, it means this: WE DON’T WANT YOUR OPINION. If we wanted it, we would have asked you for it.

How about white people who, anytime they hear about Black Lives Matter, they insist it’s a racist organization? Look, if you don’t want to support BLM — and by extension black people — then keep it pumpin’, Ashley. Just admit that you don’t want to be part of the solution. Then go find your pink pussy hat and march around your gentrified neighborhood.

The sad thing is that these are supposed to be “liberal” white folks. And damn it, if they aren’t as bad as Trump supporters. If you aren’t the absolute center of everything, you have a tantrum and fall out on the floor like a 2-year-old in the toy aisle at Wal-Mart.

Why y’all do that? No seriously. I wanna know. Why is it that, if I’m talking about how hard it was growing up as a black girl in a racist Midwestern town, you feel the need to say, “Well, try living in a third-world country. It’s way worse.” Shut up, Kyle. By the way, Kyle has spent time in the Peace Corp, so he knows all about “the struggle.”

Lawd have mercy, white people.

And for the love of gawd, white women, stop saying you understand racism because you’ve experienced sexism. This is apples and chili. Not even in the same food group, not even in the same food aisle. Your white skin gives you so much privilege. I know. I know. That hurts your little white supremacist heart, but suck it up, Sarah.

And while I’m at it, when I tell you that someone is racist, don’t respond with, “Larry’s not racist. You just have to get to know him.” The hell I do. See, this right here is why I can’t trust you. You get all up in your feelings when I question you about being an ally, then throw me under the bus as soon as I criticize a white man. By telling the truth about him. I cannot count how many times this has happened to me. This one time sticks out for me, though…

Years ago, I had a white male coworker go off on me in a meeting. Why? He was pissed off that I got promoted over him, so he had been trying to come for me ever since. He took his shot in a staff meeting, where he decided to say, in front of all our coworkers, that I was horrible employee. I looked over at my white female boss, who sat there saying nothing. So I proceeded to drag him in front of everybody — letting him and everyone else know that it wasn’t my problem that I was better at the job than he was and that, if he knew what was best for him, he would watch how he talked to me in the future.

Afterward, I confronted my boss about it. I asked her why she hadn’t said anything to him about his little tantrum. Her response: “Oh, he’s just an excitable boy. He reminds me of my son.”

And just like that, I was done with Amelia too.

Also, stop telling us we’re angry. WE KNOW WE’RE ANGRY. We’re angry at y’all because you can’t seem to keep your nose out black folks’ business. A friend of mine told me that some white women got mad at her when she said they shouldn’t wear a shirt with the Issa Rae quote: “I’m rooting for everybody black.” Whyyyyy? Why must you keep doing this? Find your own damn quote and stop trying to claim ours.

And while I’m at it, keep “Reclaiming my time” out of your mouth.

And don’t call Maxine Waters “Aunt Maxine.” If you have to ask why, that’s exactly why you shouldn’t say it.

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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:38 AM   #40
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Ergo, not every White needs a Black opinion.
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