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Old December 5th, 2017, 04:07 PM   #11
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So selling 20% or more of our uranium to Russia had to be one of the biggest acts of ineptitude ever. Amirite.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 04:09 PM   #12
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Understood.
It's not the issue of punish or not.
It's an issue of severity.
And as President Carter demonstrated, cutting an entire nation out of the Olympics rather more punishes the athletes, than the host nation.

Separate reports indicate some Russian athletes will be allowed to compete.
I didn't get the details.
On appeal, Russian athletes who have a clean record may be able to participate but they will be wearing neutral uniforms and Russia's point total for this Olympics will be zero no matter how well those individuals do.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 04:20 PM   #13
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Excellent.
Thanks.
I very much like that solution.

My single, slight reservation is that a la carte eligibility might invite continuing doping violations,
whereas a blanket ban on the entire nation, if ANY athlete from that nation might help promote team-wide purity / compliance.
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Excellent.
Thanks.
I very much like that solution.

My single, slight reservation is that a la carte eligibility might invite continuing doping violations,
whereas a blanket ban on the entire nation, if ANY athlete from that nation might help promote team-wide purity / compliance.
But I would bet that all Russian athletes who do appeal or participate will be given very close scrutiny. The fact that Russia will go into the record books as having zero points is sufficient IMO.
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Politics have to stay out of the Olympics. If individuals have no past record of being involved with those past activities, then they should be allowed to come...as individuals. It is a way of saying play by the rules and you can receive the rewards of hard work that it takes to be in the Olympics.
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I would HOPE that all Russian athletes who do appeal or participate will be given very close scrutiny.
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I deduce this is offered as a personal perspective, and not a considered assessment of international equity.

Russia's quite good at playing the victim. Practice makes perfect.
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That's fine, BUT !!

In the '60's those perky little Russian gymnast girls were told by their coaches and handlers that the hypodermic injections they were being given were vitamins.

The little girls couldn't figure out why they were growing beards, and speaking in baritone.

Not every athlete that would flunk a wee wee test is a deliberate, willing cheater.

That's part of the problem. @Russia, it was systemic.
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That's fine, BUT !!

In the '60's those perky little Russian gymnast girls were told by their coaches and handlers that the hypodermic injections they were being given were vitamins.

The little girls couldn't figure out why they were growing beards, and speaking in baritone.

Not every athlete that would flunk a wee wee test is a deliberate, willing cheater.

That's part of the problem. @Russia, it was systemic.

Which prompted my post about the scrutiny.
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