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Old December 7th, 2017, 11:36 AM   #1
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Jerusalem recognized as capitol of Israel

The Republican President did it. Clashes have already started. Poor Jared just got the difficulty quotient of his assigned task increased by several orders of magnitude.

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So Trump's neocon underwear starts to show.

Damn it and damn him.

I guess things were going a bit too smoothy in the tranquil ME, so Trump had to thrust his dick into things and f**k them up.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 12:01 PM   #3
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I'm so tired of hearing about Israel/Palestine shit. I don't understand why they can't have a two state solution with Jerusalem being a city-state or something. I also don't understand why we feel the need to be involved. It's a stupid problem that's not our responsibility.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 07:41 AM   #4
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He was the only one with the balls to do it many said they would, Pipe down

Donald Trump: What past US presidents have said about recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Donald Trump: What past US presidents have said about recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Updated Wed at 10:29pm
US President Donald Trump meets Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this year
Photo: US President Donald Trump meets Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this year. (Reuters: Ronen Zvulun)
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US President Donald Trump reversed decades of US policy when he recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, with many saying this would jeopardise the chances of peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

But his controversial decision didn't come out of nowhere.

In September 2016, Mr Trump promised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he would do exactly this if elected.

Now, he says he's delivering:

"While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver."

You might be surprised to discover one of the people he could be talking about is his predecessor Barack Obama.
Firstly, here's what the United States policy was before now

Confusingly, the US Congress passed a law in 1995 called the Jerusalem Embassy Act which described Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and said it should not be divided.

That law required the US embassy to be moved to Jerusalem by 1999.

But this hasn't happened because every six months, successive presidents have signed a waiver to keep the US embassy in Tel Aviv for national security reasons.

As well, successive presidents have backed negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians on the status of Jerusalem.

However, that's not always what they said before they took office.
In 2008, then Democratic candidate Barack Obama called Jerusalem the 'capital of Israel'
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Photo: Then-senator Barack Obama speaks at the AIPAC conference on June 4, 2008. (Reuters: Jason Reed)

In his last press conference as President, Mr Obama warned that moving the US embassy to Jerusalem could have "explosive" results.

His administration had kept to America's long-held policy on Jerusalem:

But this is what Mr Obama told pro-Israel lobby group the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) on June 4, 2008, in his first foreign policy speech after capturing the Democratic nomination the day before:

"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.

"The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognised and defensible borders.

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided. I have no illusions that this will be easy."

However, the then-senator and presidential hopeful backtracked almost immediately.

When asked shortly afterwards by CNN whether Palestinians had no future claim on the city, Mr Obama responded:

"Well, obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be part of those negotiations."

In 2000, then Republican candidate George W Bush promised to move the US embassy to Jerusalem
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Photo: George W Bush had hoped to secure a deal on a Palestinian state. (Reuters: Lucy Nicholson)

He too made the comment to AIPAC:

"Something will happen when I'm president: as soon as I take office I will begin the process of moving the US ambassador to the city Israel has chosen as its capital."

But this never happened during his eight years as president.

He sponsored peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians in the hope of securing a deal on a Palestinian state before he left office.
In 1993, former president Bill Clinton also came to office saying he supported 'the principle' of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem
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Photo: Former president Bill Clinton said he too wanted to move the US embassy. (Chip East : Reuters)

But this wasn't a promise. In 2000, in his last year as president, Mr Clinton told Israeli reporters:

"I have always wanted to move our embassy to west Jerusalem. We have a designated site there. I have not done so because I didn't want to do anything to undermine our ability to help to broker a secure and fair and lasting peace for Israelis and for Palestinians."

The Trump Administration says it is looking to identify a site for the US embassy in Jerusalem. The move is expected to take years.

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Old December 8th, 2017, 07:42 AM   #5
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The Republican President did it. Clashes have already started. Poor Jared just got the difficulty quotient of his assigned task increased by several orders of magnitude.

And what has been accomplished?

Here's one suggestion:



https://twitter.com/RealRBHJr/status/938544020678217733
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Old December 8th, 2017, 08:10 AM   #6
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I'm so tired of hearing about Israel/Palestine shit. I don't understand why they can't have a two state solution with Jerusalem being a city-state or something. I also don't understand why we feel the need to be involved. It's a stupid problem that's not our responsibility.
Yes you do.

Jerusalem should be an international city, administered like how Trieste or Danzig was. The UN has far bigger teeth than the League did and there's really no way to stop the autism other than international intervention. Neither side wants a concession because at this point they've invested so much that they can't compromise.

Palestine won't exist as anything but a concept in the minds of Arabs under Israeli occupation in ten years, but perhaps that's what is necessarily for them to try for freedom. No one can deny that what the Israeli government is doing is wrong, but there's really not much anyone can do about it. It's pretty much over at this point.
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Yes you do.

Jerusalem should be an international city, administered like how Trieste or Danzig was. The UN has far bigger teeth than the League did and there's really no way to stop the autism other than international intervention. Neither side wants a concession because at this point they've invested so much that they can't compromise.

Palestine won't exist as anything but a concept in the minds of Arabs under Israeli occupation in ten years, but perhaps that's what is necessarily for them to try for freedom. No one can deny that what the Israeli government is doing is wrong, but there's really not much anyone can do about it. It's pretty much over at this point.
Palestine has never existed neither have Palestinians they are nomads from surroundi9ng countries. Palestinian people do not exist
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Palestine has never existed neither have Palestinians they are nomads from surroundi9ng countries. Palestinian people do not exist
There exists a separate element of Israeli society that is comprised of Arabic-speaking Muslims who are ethnically different from the Ashkenazim and the other Jewish migrants in Israel. They label themselves "Palestinians" and wish for their own nation state, separate from Israel, called "Palestine."

How about that? Your wish to pursue a semantics-based argument doesn't change the reality of things.
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There exists a separate element of Israeli society that is comprised of Arabic-speaking Muslims who are ethnically different from the Ashkenazim and the other Jewish migrants in Israel. They label themselves "Palestinians" and wish for their own nation state, separate from Israel, called "Palestine."

How about that? Your wish to pursue a semantics-based argument doesn't change the reality of things.
The reality is they have no claim to the land because it was never theirs to begin with! I can label myself a Egyptian but that doesn't make it so although i have a better chance since Egypt exists.
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The reality is they have no claim to the land because it was never theirs to begin with! I can label myself a Egyptian but that doesn't make it so although i have a better chance since Egypt exists.
What do you mean? These Arabic-speaking Muslims have inhabited the land for hundreds of years prior to the migration of Jews following the pogroms of the 19th century and the Holocaust after 1945.
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