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Old January 5th, 2018, 12:51 PM   #241
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She makes more than I do, not an issue. It is about what we believe the Bible teaches on more than one occasion i have posted what that looks like, based on what non believers want to see and read that to mean, they bash it and make it into something it's not!
For God's sake man, EVERYONE is a non-believer to SOMEONE!!!
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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:04 PM   #242
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You take everything I say and turn it into a negative, when we make any major decisions, we discuss them, if we can find no answer together, I make a decision. It's not like I tell her she has no input,

Oh, I'm sure she has input. Right up to the point where you realize that she isn't going to agree with you. Then her input isn't worth a bucket of warm mule puke.


you like to make it sound like she is my servant or something.
You're projecting.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:09 PM   #243
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She makes more than I do, not an issue. It is about what we believe the Bible teaches on more than one occasion i have posted what that looks like, based on what non believers want to see and read that to mean, they bash it and make it into something it's not!
No one is making it into something it isn't.

Your wife gets input into how the money is spent up to the point where the two of you disagree. Then, what she thinks is overruled by you.

If seeing the reality of your beliefs put into plain language makes you uncomfortable, then perhaps you need to reexamine your beliefs.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 09:56 PM   #244
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Sensible is not the subject of this thread and I think those who are making him the subject of their post and putting him on the defensive, are ruining the intellectual merit of the thread. Is that the best you can do?
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Old January 5th, 2018, 10:00 PM   #245
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I disagree. Even in this thread, where yes, he has been somewhat restrained from the Sensible we all know, he still has several times categorically stated that his way is correct and all who don't follow are wrong.
I think Sensible has made an excellent case for love. I would be pleased if others were not proving him right about people without religion failing to have good standards.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 10:13 PM   #246
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And yet there was a case here where the exact same thing happened, but with roles reversed. The wife normally took the child to daycare but she had to go to work early and so the husband was doing it. But it was the day of a crucial meeting for him and he just plain forgot the kid was in the back seat.

So do you also have a concern about masculinism?
My concern is that as a society we take child care seriously and honor the person willing to care for the family and protect this person, so this person is as free to focus on the care of the family, as in traditional families, the man was free to focus on earning a living. That person may be a paid nanny or a parent, until the child is old enough to fend for him/her self. The point of the story of the principal forgetting she had the baby, is expecting someone to do it all, to have a career and care for a baby, is unrealistic. The person who forgets the baby and causes the baby to die is not a bad person, but the circumstance is bad and needs to be prevented. The value of the person who cares for the child, needs to be much, much higher than it is.
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My concern is that as a society we take child care seriously and honor the person willing to care for the family and protect this person, so this person is as free to focus on the care of the family, as in traditional families, the man was free to focus on earning a living. That person may be a paid nanny or a parent, until the child is old enough to fend for him/her self. The point of the story of the principal forgetting she had the baby, is expecting someone to do it all, to have a career and care for a baby, is unrealistic. The person who forgets the baby and causes the baby to die is not a bad person, but the circumstance is bad and needs to be prevented. The value of the person who cares for the child, needs to be much, much higher than it is.
So what is your solution?
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Old January 5th, 2018, 10:31 PM   #248
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You take everything I say and turn it into a negative, when we make any major decisions, we discuss them, if we can find no answer together, I make a decision. It's not like I tell her she has no input, you like to make it sound like she is my servant or something.
And if you were the captain of a ship, you would be held responsible for the decisions. We have gotten the importance of leadership and following the leader. This is an agreement, and should that leader be incapacitated, another must emerge. We once understood this basic principle, and it was the US advantage in war, that men agreed to follow orders, and if the leader was taken down another emerged.

It is not wrong for the man to be the head of home, nor is it wrong for the woman to be the head of the home. But nature tends to favor the man being the head of the home. At least I find a man worthy of holding that role, more sexually attractive, than one who is dependent on me. Agreeing there is a head to the home is a good way to avoid divorce.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 10:37 PM   #249
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So what is your solution?
Wasn't the solution obvious? Someone stays home and is honored for being the person who does the caregiving. That is a big sacrifice unless one is a paid nanny and is paid well.

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Wasn't the solution obvious? Someone stays home and is honored for being the person who does the caregiving. That is a big sacrifice unless one is a paid nanny and is paid well.
In this thread I have expressed disgust with those who choose to have both of a couple work for a longer vacation, a more luxurious car etc. But a reality in our society is that that is not possible for many. A couple both making minimum wage are hard pressed to exist. Them both having a job is not a choice.

And then there is the situation of single parents at the lower wage levels that are forced to use less than optimum daycare.

So your solution is great in some ideal world, but is far from applicable to our current situation.
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