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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:44 AM   #71
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To the feminazis

Today’s generation of men are the most emasculated, and feminized set of men to walk the earth. Generations of boys are being raised to be more like girls and this is a direct result of the roaring success of feminism, especially in Western countries.

Women complain that men are not “manly” enough, yet they don’t realize that their sons, whom they are raising to be effeminate will find it even harder to find and court a mate. The link between diluted masculinity and attractive traits is seemingly lost on them.

Feminism has evolved from a fair, ethical movement which promoted justice,equality as well as political and economic freedom to a hate driven barracuda determined to suppress every iota of masculinity in today’s society. A movement which believes that societies ills are caused by men and can be only solved by systematically demolishing masculinity.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:45 AM   #72
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The reason why feminism has gained so much ground in politics and in our institutions of higher learning is because of society’s view that females are more vulnerable and therefore more valuable than males.

Thus any attempt by a group of males to halt the wayward and misguided path of this movement would be immediately met with violent complaints of hate against women and sexism.

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:46 AM   #73
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I think that you and I have very different definitions of respect.

re·spect
rəˈspekt/
noun
noun: respect

1.
a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Nothing sensible has ever posted has caused me to feel any admiration for him whatsoever.

As far as 'what good does it do'? My husbands brother is a great deal like sensible when it comes to his attitude towards women. It took him a few years to learn that his 'tea glass rattling', 'finger snapping', telling me that I 'need to learn to mind' bullshit wasn't going to work with me. Now he avoids me like the plague.
"Respect" be understood in different ways. However, the effect of being disrespectful is the same and that is not good when we look at the bigger picture. A society that agrees it is okay to be disrespectful, will be disrespectful, and this is a great lead into discussing the issue of this thread.

It appears your brother-in-law was very disrespectful to you, and I assume your husband did not defend you, leaving in a position to defend yourself? When I mentioned to a therapist my displeasure in my husband because he did not defend me, when his brother was disrespecting me, HE said it sounded like I did a good job of defending myself. HIS analysis of the situation was not helpful and I think it was a mistake to be consulting with a male at that time in our history when it was the norm to belittle women and disrespect them, and to be sexual predators. Our past is not all good and many of us are very resentful today, and this resentment is surfacing, and that is why we have this thread. But is being unaware of our resentment and glad to dump it on men we do not know, a good idea? Even if they "deserve it"?

What goes around comes around, and is being resentful and disrepectful something we want coming our way? Is this negativity going to make things better?

Respect can be understood as a virtue that you practice or do not. Look it up.

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:47 AM   #74
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In spite of the great strides and ground gained by the original women’s movement, feminists still believe that they of much less value than males in society despite the fact that more men die in war than women, men get longer prison sentences than women for the same crimes, on average live shorter than women among many others. Not equality.
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Feminists want equal rights without equal responsibility. The right to be a CEO, but not a soldier. They want women to get paid like their male counterparts, but not to die like them. Feminism will always look out for the safety of women-but not men.
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A movement which is by default favored by politics can NEVER be equal. Society dictates that women are more vulnerable than men. In general we tend to respond to women in trouble than to men. Hence, California passes a law that protects drunk women on campus and absolves them from responsibility for their action. Remember that “What Would You Do?” episode when a woman assaults her man in public and everyone walks by thinking “he probably had it coming”? When the roles were reversed, everyone stepped in to stop the abusive man.
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Talk like that isn't part of the problem. MEN like that are part of the problem.

I'm 59 years old and I have seen a lot of changes in my life. I was 9 years old when my mother chained herself to the doors of a bank because they refused to allow her to have a savings account in just her name. She knew that if my father had access to it, there would be no savings.

I know men today who would like to go back to those days. Not because they think that women can't handle money....they aren't stupid...but because not allowing women to handle money makes them feel 'manly'.

You aren't going to be able to change men like that with logical arguments and attempting to do so is simply a waste of time.
Hmm, shows how much you know about Me, my wife handles all the bills! I hate dealing with it!
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:19 AM   #78
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To the feminazis

Today’s generation of men are the most emasculated, and feminized set of men to walk the earth. Generations of boys are being raised to be more like girls and this is a direct result of the roaring success of feminism, especially in Western countries.

Women complain that men are not “manly” enough, yet they don’t realize that their sons, whom they are raising to be effeminate will find it even harder to find and court a mate. The link between diluted masculinity and attractive traits is seemingly lost on them.

Feminism has evolved from a fair, ethical movement which promoted justice,equality as well as political and economic freedom to a hate driven barracuda determined to suppress every iota of masculinity in today’s society. A movement which believes that societies ills are caused by men and can be only solved by systematically demolishing masculinity.
I think you are making a good point, but I see things a little differently, and that makes this a very, very interesting discussion! I think the agenda is to reduce everyone to powerlessness, and that it has nothing to do with gender. However, we are living in a pressure cooker right now, and a lot of people are blowing off steam.

I should say your objection to making males as females hits a raw nerve because, from my perspective, we have been demanding women be as males and have made being feminine taboo.

What do you see as desirable male traits and desirable female traits? And how should they relate to one another?
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:44 AM   #79
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In spite of the great strides and ground gained by the original women’s movement, feminists still believe that they of much less value than males in society despite the fact that more men die in war than women, men get longer prison sentences than women for the same crimes, on average live shorter than women among many others. Not equality.
You don't see a difference between men and women? You want as many women on the battlefield as men? For sure nature did not make us equal so how are we to have equality on the battlefield? Biologically, if your population is small, you will want to protect your breeding age females, because one man can fertilize a lot of females and war increases the need to increase live births.

However, the inequality in the criminal justice system is shocking! But then I certainly do not see the US criminal justice as just in the first place. I think we have a lousy attitude when it comes to criminal justice. Does it help to know the number of women and children involved in crime and violence, both as victims and perpetrators of crime and violence, has increased since women's liberation? I thought we were gaining equality with men in this negative way, but checked what you said of the inequality and it is bad.

And health-wise men and women are gaining equality. As women have begun doing what men do, their health risks are more equal then they were.
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An estimated 44 million women in the U.S. are affected by cardiovascular diseases. 90% of women have one or more risk factors for heart disease or stroke. Women have a higher lifetime risk of stroke than men. Fewer women than men survive their first heart attack.
Heart Disease Statistics at a Glance - Go Red for Women
https://www.goredforwomen.org/...hea...tatistics-at-a.
I think in the past when a relatively high number of women died when giving birth to a child, the men had the advantage. In many poor countries, this is still true today.

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:46 AM   #80
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Feminists want equal rights without equal responsibility. The right to be a CEO, but not a soldier. They want women to get paid like their male counterparts, but not to die like them. Feminism will always look out for the safety of women-but not men.
Hum, I almost forgot to be respectful. I really don't think you want to live in a female body and if you did, I don't think you would make that argument.

One more thing, I remember when our economy was built on Aristotle's notion that a man should have an ox, a wife, and slave and women were prevented from attending some colleges or pursuing some careers, and were expected to do women's work for low or no pay, and if a man did do the same work, he was paid a higher wage.

My father was opposed to me studying anything in college besides home economics and he sure as blazes did not give me the mentoring he gave his son. It was obvious to him a man had a much better chance of earning a good wage, and a woman's place was in the home. Let me clarify I am resentful of that past, and I do not mean to blame you or attack you for that past, as I pray people of color will stop being angry with me just because I am white and their history was very unjust.

At the same time, I also believe that gender division of roles is best for our liberty, and I hope the discussion can explore that possibility.

The ideal for the women of my generation was to have our families and be devoted wives and mothers, and when our children were old enough to leave alone, we were to return to college, get our careers and help pay for the children's college educations. Unfortunately, I didn't marry as well as I thought I had. When we begin our families with the wrong person, there are no good choices, only exchanging one set of problems for another.
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