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Old January 13th, 2018, 06:06 PM   #131
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He will blame the source.
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No, I will.

Christopher Booker, the guy who "has repeatedly claimed that white asbestos is "chemically identical to talcum powder" and poses a 'non-existent' risk to human health"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...ews_on_science

That Christopher Booker? The columnist? With no scientific background?
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Great source. He studied history at college. He still claims there is no relationship between smoking and cancer and he rejects claims that asbestos poses any danger.

And all he does in this is repeat and amplify the lies told by a guy called Paul Homewood. And here ya go:

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/no...perature-data/

But you go right ahead and smoke and breath asbestos to your heart's content.
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Yes with a "fact check" link. FactCheck is bull shit. Everyone knows this.
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Everyone knows you are a hypocrite, and a dumb one at that.

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He will blame the source.
Bloody hypocrite, YOU will blame the source. Note, I had already given you a source other than FactCheck.

Don't worry. Commonly, when a person whose head gets as swelled as yours from years of being so self-impressed, a person's mouth or hands often will get ahead of their mind .... like, see above.

Christopher Booker is a verified whacko, so no wonder you like him. You two are peas in a pod.

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Old January 13th, 2018, 06:11 PM   #132
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But the calculated global temperature anomaly is not a measurement, whatsoever. Rather, it is a value determined from the calculation of measurements...and measurements which are to two significant figures. Thus, it is quite proper to report that calculated value to two significant figures, regardless of the magnitude of the estimated uncertainty of said calculated value, particularly when the uncertainty of said calculated value is reported as well.

Moreover, since the number of significant figures that are provided by a measuring device roughly corresponds to the precision-but not accuracy-of said measuring device, reporting a calculated value derived from said measuring device measurements to less significant significant figures than said measuring device is essentially the promotion of false imprecision. But, on the other hand, reporting the calculated global temperature anomaly to the same number of significant figures as the temperature gages, as NOAA and other research bodies do when they state said value as 0.XX +/- 0.YY, is quite proper since that act doesn't promote either false imprecision or false precision concerning those measuring devices.

And, quite apparently, the only thing "proven" here, besides them not understanding that the global temperature anomaly is a calculated value, is some DTT member's misunderstanding of the usage of significant figures, in general.

Guaranteed not one denier will or even can comprehend the facts you laid out, and their handlers count on their inability.
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Guaranteed not one denier will or even can comprehend the facts you laid out, and their handlers count on their inability.
Well, to be honest, I don't recall there being very many of the more publicly-known deniers (or luke-warmers) arguing over how many significant figures the reported calculated global temperature value should use, particularly when they have a physical science-oriented educational or work background. Indeed, the same improper handling of significant figures, such as being promoted here, would have to be promoted by them within all the other physical sciences, in order for them to be consistent with themselves. So, perhaps this why there seems-at least to me-to be very few deniers with some physical sciences experience who argue along these...well...goofy lines.
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You mean like someone not understanding the difference between temperature measurements and the result of calculations which utilize said measurements?

Also, do you mean like someone not understanding the promotion of false imprecision regarding measuring devices when they advocate for the reporting of calculated values that are derived from said measuring device data to less significant figures than are reported by said measuring devices?


Nope, and nope.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 11:31 AM   #135
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Do you know anything at all about the science confirming the reality of human caused global warming? Are you in any way competent to comment of this subject?
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Nope, and nope.
That's what we figured.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 11:43 AM   #136
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What is noticeably different in the current warming period and the previous warming periods over the last 400,000 year?

Lookin at that chart, Id say global warming is a good thing if you want human civilization to survive.
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That's what we figured.
You are relegated to making shit up. Typical MMGW lemming.
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Can I grow barley in Greenland like my ancestors did?

Answer: no, it’s too cold.
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Can I grow barley in Greenland like my ancestors did?

Answer: no, it’s too cold.

In the real world....

Agriculture is of little importance in the economy but climate change – in southern Greenland, the growing season averages about three weeks longer than a decade ago[25] – has enabled expanded production of existing crops. At present, local production accounts for 10% of potatoes consumption in Greenland, but that is projected to grow to 15% by 2020. Similarly, it has enabled new crops like apples, strawberries,[26] broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and carrots[25] to be grown and for the cultivated areas of the country to be extended[27]although even now only about 1% of Greenland is considered arable.
(source: Wikipedia - Economy of Greenland)
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Bringing back the barley
Mild weather in Greenland pleases some but not others

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Sep 7th 2006
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THE Middle Ages were unusually warm in northern Europe, and it was during that period that the Vikings settled in Greenland. They cultivated land, growing mostly barley. The climate then cooled down, which made the place too chilly for arable farming. These days Greenland's 56,000 people rely largely on sheep farming in the south, hunting in the north and fishing in the west.

Or at least they did until the world started warming up again. Average temperatures in Greenland have risen by 1.5C over the past 30 years. The barley is back. Kenneth Hoeth has been growing it, but only as an experiment. Several farmers in southern Greenland are now farming potatoes, turnips and iceberg lettuces commercially. Mr Hoeth is trying out other crops: he is pleased with his Chinese cabbage, which he says is particularly crispy.

The weather has helped sheep farming, too. Sheep are kept in barns all winter and have to be fed with hay or other fodder. Because grass grows more plentifully these days, sheep farmers need to import less fodder, so costs have fallen. The only downside, says Mr Hoeth, is bugs: caterpillars are proliferating. But, he says, “generally the warming is good for us.

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15 inches? Pfffft, that's nothing.
Climate

Summers are mainly hot and dry, while winters are cool to cold. Despite being in the hot Sahara desert, it snowed in 1979 and in the winter of 2016/2017. The municipality was sprinkled with some snow in December 2016, which was the first time that snow had fallen there since February 18, 1979, when a half-hour storm disrupted traffic. A freak winter storm hit the area on January 20, 2017 dumping snow in the municipality up to a metre thick in some places. This was the largest snowfall in residents' memories and had caused travel disruptions due to the roads becoming slippery with ice, while the resident children made the most of the situation by sledding on the snow-covered sand dunes and making snowmen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Sfra

Climate change means increasingly more extreme weather, as we are seeing.
In another thread, I gave an explanation of what global warming has done to air currents and the movement of low and high pressure systems. Does that explanation need to move into this thread so there is understanding of what global warming has to do with severe winters and snow in unusual places?
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