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Old January 9th, 2018, 10:16 AM   #81
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Here is the actual graph that TNV pushes, but with real time ranges, rather than the cherry-picked, intentionally misleading range he chooses to use. You will note that reality and what TNV sees are two completely separate things.

Plus, I link it unlike him. See below.



https://thinkprogress.org/climate-de...-838eb198e246/

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Old January 9th, 2018, 10:24 AM   #82
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And there's always NASA:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
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Old January 9th, 2018, 10:44 AM   #83
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In layman's terms, how past CO2 levels could be 20-40 times greater than today and yet the earth experienced ice ages.

Ancient CO2 levels
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RNG, when did Thinkprogress become a peer reviewed scientific journal?
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Old January 9th, 2018, 01:43 PM   #85
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You're wrong about the cause of warming. The earth's atmosphere and oceans are warming. As we've studied the ongoing warming we've learned that the warming isn't evenly distributed. The atmosphere taken as an average is warmer, but because of changes to weather patterns some areas may actually get cooler ... for a while.

Weather extremes, northern heatwaves, southern freezes, floods and droughts, and the increase in net energy of hurricanes and even thunderstorms have already become the norm. This trend will continue to amplify as the atmosphere's level of heat energy increases.

The earth's vast amounts of sequestered methane already have begun outgassing, as I've shown. We do not know the threshold point at which methane clathrates destabilize, but we can know that methane outgassing at some point develops a positive feedback.

If that happens, if a runaway methane event occurs, it could well lead to the sixth great extinction. Methane is believed to have played a role in some of the earth's mass extinctions.

The oceans are losing oxygen. The loss isn't evenly distributed. Dead zones are expanding far more quickly than expected. The cause is increased water temperature and increasing reliance upon agricultural chemicals now needed to sustain unsustainable agriculture.

All of this has been painstakingly outlined for you and others repeatedly. Since around 2004 when I first began paying attention to the changing climate, two things have remained constant.

The earth's atmosphere and the oceans have warmed.

The arguments seeking to divest humans of their responsibility for the warming haven't changed one bit. They are virtually the same now as then.

The debate is purely academic at this point. The wheels are in motion. We've been on the road for a little while already. It's a one-way street we're on. It's not clear precisely where we're heading.
Yes they are warming answer this question honestly

According to your logic, the climate of the 1800 would have to be OPTIMUM climate, so the question is:

"Why do you believe the Little Ice Age climate is optimum climate for Human survival?"

follow up question is

How are we going to feed the people of this country, and other countries with a growing season that is 40 days shorter?

now a follow up to my follow up:

Why do you read "No" warming, when I say the warming is "NATRUAL warming"?

Yes the earth has warmed, due to the end of a period of 2 major solar minimums 1300-1900, as 3 major volcanic eruptions. The warming is a natural event due to the lesser volcanic activity and 90 year period of the Modern Solar Maximum.

NATRUAL EVENTS. not man made

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Yes they are warming answer this question honestly

According to your logic, the climate of the 1800 would have to be OPTIMUM climate, so the question is:

"Why do you believe the Little Ice Age climate is optimum climate for Human survival?"

follow up question is

How are we going to feed the people of this country, and other countries with a growing season that is 40 days shorter?

now a follow up to my follow up:

Why do you read "No" warming, when I say the warming is "NATRUAL warming"?

Yes the earth has warmed, due to the end of a period of 2 major solar minimums 1300-1900, as 3 major volcanic eruptions. The warming is a natural event due to the lesser volcanic activity and 90 year period of the Modern Solar Maximum.

NATRUAL EVENTS. not man made
Do you honestly believe that your repetitions of "it's natural, it's natural" makes it so?

All the events to which you refer are natural, but they don't erase humankind's activities which have raised atmospheric CO2 levels higher than they've been for hundreds of thousands of years.

Not only that, but the rate of increase is unprecedented. Currently, the rate of increase is estimated to be 100 to 200 times faster than the rates which accompanied the end of the last major ice age.

Into your roster of natural event you must factor in the unnatural, i.e. human-caused, release of 36 gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere annually. But that's just the "warm up."

Methane could be the extinction event instigator. Over a 100-year period, methane's warming potential is about 30-36 times more than CO2's. However, because methane decays into CO2 rather quickly, over a 12-year period, methane's 20-year warming potential is 90-100 times more potent than CO2.

Methane emissions are increasing rapidly as well. In 2009, methane accounted for 28 percent of the increase in our atmosphere's increasing capacity to retain heat. The main sources are agriculture, bacterial decomposition in tropical regions, and natural gas production.

So you can holler "natural" all you want, but your theories are flawed unless you factor in the "unnatural" increases in CO2 and methane due to human activities. Until you do, right there is the big hole in your argument.
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“Estimated to be”

Hehe.

What is the margin of error in this “estimation”? Please be specific and bring a real number with documentation.
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Wow, 15 inches of snow in the Sahara but could only have occurred in the Atlas Mountains. Friday we get 12 inches of snow. The groundhog will go back in his hole on Feb. 2 when he sees his shadow which means six more weeks of winter. Global warming is a dismal failure.
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“Estimated to be”

Hehe.

What is the margin of error in this “estimation”? Please be specific and bring a real number with documentation.
No. I've provided info such as you request dozens of times. You will blow off whatever information I provide.

If I'd quoted a solid figure, you'd be criticizing that.

How can such a figure be known exactly?

If you have any counter to the information I posted, let's see it. Otherwise you are trolling and I'm not biting.
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No. I've provided info such as you request dozens of times. You will blow off whatever information I provide.

If I'd quoted a solid figure, you'd be criticizing that.

How can such a figure be known exactly?

If you have any counter to the information I posted, let's see it. Otherwise you are trolling and I'm not biting.
So you admit you aren’t posting science, you are posting your unsupportable opinion.
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