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Old January 10th, 2018, 05:36 PM   #31
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You misquoted me. Here's what I said: Trump is not going to end the policy because IT'S not his call to make. Thank God for our checks and balances.

Then I added this: I should have been more specific. Trump can overturn EOs and he did. President Trump rescinded the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program Sept. 5, 2017, but the Constitution gives Congress, not the President, the power to make and to amend the laws.
More than likely Congress will negotiate DACA to include immigration reform...at least that's what Trump indicated yesterday.


Why do you insist on lying about what I posted?
Stop your bullshit.

You aren’t fooling anyone. There is no fucking reason to bring up who has the power to amend laws if you didn’t think DACA was law.

Own up to your ignorance and move on. You are just making it worse with this idiocy.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 05:37 PM   #32
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yay! good for the judge!

these children and young adults and students should not be being punished for the actions of their parents.

we do not (supposedly) visit the sins upon the father
Do you think the parents should be held responsible?
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Old January 10th, 2018, 05:40 PM   #33
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You misquoted me. Here's what I said: Trump is not going to end the policy because IT'S not his call to make. Thank God for our checks and balances.

Then I added this: I should have been more specific. Trump can overturn EOs and he did. President Trump rescinded the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program Sept. 5, 2017, but the Constitution gives Congress, not the President, the power to make and to amend the laws.
More than likely Congress will negotiate DACA to include immigration reform...at least that's what Trump indicated yesterday.


Why do you insist on lying about what I posted?
Obama overstepped by executive order, kicking the can down the road. Now liberals are all upset because we have to revisit this once again. Had Obama gone through Congress (checks and balances), this would be resolved by now and we could move on to more important issues.
Trump handing it over to Congress, instead of signing another executive order, is the right thing to do, imho.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 04:26 AM   #34
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Obama overstepped by executive order, kicking the can down the road. Now liberals are all upset because we have to revisit this once again. Had Obama gone through Congress (checks and balances), this would be resolved by now and we could move on to more important issues.
Trump handing it over to Congress, instead of signing another executive order, is the right thing to do, imho.


You know as well as I do WHY Obama couldn't go through Congress and why HE and every other president (including Trump) utilizes executive orders.

Besides, why all the fuss?? The GOP seems pretty anxious to enact a solution for the Dreamers....at least that's what they said at the roundtable discussion on January 9th--which was covered by the press.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 05:21 AM   #35
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You know as well as I do WHY Obama couldn't go through Congress and why HE and every other president (including Trump) utilizes executive orders.

Besides, why all the fuss?? The GOP seems pretty anxious to enact a solution for the Dreamers....at least that's what they said at the roundtable discussion on January 9th--which was covered by the press.
...and it is why I am wondering why Trump is still getting beat up over the entire thing. He could deliver everything the Dems want on a silver platter, they still criticize him over it.
Partisan politics instead of focusing on issues drives me crazy.
Clinton, GW, Obama, Trump, none of them is all bad, all evil, but the partisan mud slingers always criticize, no matter what they have done or do. Just because it is the guy "on the other side" it must be bad.
Fact is, immigration should have been solved many years ago, before it got so out of hand.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 10:55 AM   #36
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You know as well as I do WHY Obama couldn't go through Congress and why HE and every other president (including Trump) utilizes executive orders.

Besides, why all the fuss?? The GOP seems pretty anxious to enact a solution for the Dreamers....at least that's what they said at the roundtable discussion on January 9th--which was covered by the press.
Better known as the "Watch us, we can pretend to be adults when there are cameras and microphones around" session?
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Better known as the "Watch us, we can pretend to be adults when there are cameras and microphones around" session?
Exactly. Watch all those “border security” Dems fight tooth and nail to actually pass any actual border security.
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Many of these are in their twenties now, they aren't children. And less than 1,000 are serving in the military, so don't fall for the lies about many are serving, they aren't. Those serving should get a pass, the rest need to go.

Other than future votes for Democrats what is the need for massive immigration.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 12:04 PM   #39
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You know as well as I do WHY Obama couldn't go through Congress and why HE and every other president (including Trump) utilizes executive orders.


Not so, very not so. EO's are NOT an end-run around Congress to make laws, which is why Obama had the Supreme Court throw any number of his out. He attempted an end-run.

EO's are to implement statutes passed into law, as very few statutes are self-implementing. The Congress leaves implementation up to the Executive all too often. EO's are thus intended to implement enacted laws, and to manage the Executive Branch

The idiot judge, Alsup, has recently been kicked in the rear by the Supreme Court. But being a lefty he comes back and does the same overreaching of his office again. Alsup is a fool.

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The government has already announced it will appeal this ruling. While the Ninth Circuit is unlikely to provide any relief, the Supreme Court has already signaled its dissatisfaction with Judge Alsup’s rulings. Last fall, Judge Alsup ordered the Trump administration to turn over internal White House documents concerning why DACA was canceled. The government filed an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court, urging the justices to shield the executive-branch documents from judicial scrutiny. Then, the case got weirder. In what the New York Times described as an “unusual move,” Judge Alsup filed his own brief, in which he told the justices that the government leaves the Court with an “incorrect impression.” I was unable to find any Supreme Court rule that permits a federal judge to file a brief in an appeal of his own ruling. Judge Alsup’s strange advocacy did not impress the justices.

Last month, without recorded dissent, the Supreme Court rebuffed Judge Alsup’s effort to review internal documents. Not that it mattered, because he was still able to halt the president’s actions based on the limited record before him. This now-common fait accompli, where judges demand access to internal deliberative documents, and when rebuffed rule against the president anyway, evinces the feeling of a show trial. It is no wonder the Supreme Court took the unusual step of intervening in a discovery dispute.
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Many of these are in their twenties now, they aren't children. And less than 1,000 are serving in the military, so don't fall for the lies about many are serving, they aren't. Those serving should get a pass, the rest need to go.

Other than future votes for Democrats what is the need for massive immigration.
None are serving in the military, they have signed up but can't go to basic training due to not being here legally. If they are not legalized within 2 years of them signing their papers to join the military, then their contracts become null and void.
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