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Old January 12th, 2018, 08:58 PM   #281
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Good job booger. Way to not understand the argument yet again.


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Do you not get that abortion is a right?
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Old January 12th, 2018, 09:03 PM   #282
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Well my issue is, I don't trust most state government any more than the feds. In some case even less. They seem much more subject to whim and acting capriciously.

Here's my other issue. I am a resident of the state of Tennessee. BUT, I am a CITIZEN of the United States. If there is a right, protected under the constitution, then that right should apply in every state. My rights should not change because I crossed a river, or simply stepped over an imaginary line drawn on the ground.

Marriage and abortion are both very good examples of places that NO government should have the right to interfere. However since they've chosen to do so, then the laws should be equal across the board.


I hear what you are saying but i can also see the abortion argument from the other people perspective and there are enough people who feel that way to matter. Let them have a state and see what happens.


Furthermore i never agreed on the ruling that there is a constitutional right to marry just as there is not a constitutional right for a medical procedure. None of that matters as i believe that it should be a states rights issue.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 09:07 PM   #283
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You do get tiresome.
Do you not get that abortion is a right?
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

You inject yourself into a constructive conversation and toss in platitudes. No intelligent argument just its the same tired leftist platitudes.


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Old January 13th, 2018, 01:31 AM   #284
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“Our approach is to look at both adult and fetus as a biologist would: as parts of a complex and interconnected web of living things on our planet. Instead of asking about how a fetus resembles an adult human, we propose to ask how both of them differ from other living things, what it is that makes them uniquely human, and then to use this information in coming to policy decisions. Over the years, scientists have developed new understandings about life on our planet and about the nature of Homo sapiens. A good deal of this understanding has come since the original Roe decision and, to our knowledge, has been largely ignored in the ensuing debate. It shouldn’t be.

This is not to say that the abortion debate can be reduced, in the end, to a question of scientific fact. It can’t. Neither, however, can the debate be conducted intelligently if one ignores what scientists have learned about human beings and about the process by which a single fertilized egg develops into a newborn child. This truth is nowhere more evident than when legislators trying to grapple with the abortion issue turn to the scientific community and ask, “When does an individual life begin?”

This is not only the wrong question, it is a question that cannot be answered by use of methods of science. Any scientist who says it can either doesn’t understand the limits of our craft, has defined “life” in a way that he or she hasn’t made explicit, or is trying to be deceptive. We’ve seen examples of all three sources of error behind “scientific” answers to this question, by people on both sides of the abortion debate.

This question is sometimes confused with one that is more specifically biological: “When does life in general begin?” meaning, “When did living things first appear on the earth?” This more general question can, of course, be approached with the methods of science, although the fact of the matter is that life is one of those terms (like time) that scientists are usually quite content to use in a loose, colloquial way, but that they find extraordinary difficult to define with precision.

In the context of the abortion debate, life clearly means “the life of an individual.” So “When does life begin?” is still the wrong question. The only way we can define individual life is by making a list of the characteristics of an individual life and then seeing if the entity in question shares them. The only rational answer a biologist can give to the question “When does an individual life begin?” is to say, “Tell me what you mean by individual life, and I’ll tell you if this entity has it.” A biologist, in other words, cannot provide a definition of individual life (at least as that term is used in the abortion debate) solely from the biological sciences. He or she must go outside science for those sorts of definitions. For example, a geneticist can tell you that at conception a new combination of preexisting DNA has come into existence, but whether “life” has begun simply cannot be resolved by this information. This type of answer is profoundly unsatisfying, but it’s about all you can expect if you ask the wrong question.”


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Old January 13th, 2018, 04:05 AM   #285
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You do get tiresome.
Do you not get that abortion is a right?
It is based on a right to privacy, which, Obama had challenged in Court to not be a right.

so.. oops Obama actually gave precedence in his challenge that makes Roe null and void.

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Old January 13th, 2018, 08:40 AM   #286
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I don't care about Roe v Wade. I don't waste my time trying to argue on that.
As it's a Supreme Court finding that governs the entire apparatus of legal abortion in the US, the status quo wins.
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I don't care about Roe v Wade. I don't waste my time trying to argue on that.
So if you don’t like something you pretend it doesn’t exist.

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So if you don’t like something you pretend it doesn’t exist.
You are welcome to show me where I said Roe v Wade doesn't exist.

Your reading comprehension skills are non-existent.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 10:12 AM   #289
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Nothing like a bunch of men sitting around and deciding the abortion issue for the women who have to deal with pregnancy.
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Nothing like a bunch of men sitting around and deciding the abortion issue for the women who have to deal with pregnancy.
There is something to that. However, women have joined the SC since, & several states keep nibbling @ Roe v. Wade. If the women on the SC are voicing their gender over their judicial duties, I haven't noticed.

& of course it's not just the women directly involved who have to deal with pregnancy. Their partner, the grandparents, the family @ large, their communities, states & so on are also involved. As witness child care, child nutrition & health (also for the woman), civil courts, etc. There are more & more repercussions as the parents & child age - which is natural.

Yes, it would be better to have women sitting on the bench, which we have now. It would have been to have had them on the bench then. We can only fix what we can, & carry on.
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