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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:26 AM   #501
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No, you trying to frame this as an equal rights issue is pure stupidity.
Iím not ďframingĒ it as an equal rights issue, it IS an equal rights issue.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:34 AM   #502
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NO SIR, it does NOT send a mixed message. I wish I could find one of the studies again. They did a huge study, thousands of kids and young adults. One of the major parts of the study was specifically to see if there was a difference in the number that had sex between those that had sex ed and those that did not receive it.

What they discovered was age, race, culture, religion, parents and economics are the things that play major roles in when a given individual decides to have sex.

Giving them REAL sex education and easy access to birth control DOES NOT CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES. NOT ONE PERCENT DIFFERENCE. You can take any one group and compare between those that have had sex ed and those that do not and the number of people in each group engages in sexual activity is the same.

What it does do is reduce unwanted pregnancies and STD's by up to 70%.

You'll be happy to hear parents, single or couple, are still one of the biggest deciding factors in when kids have sex, especially the girls.
Studies find what you pay them to, telling a child they are not able to control themselves is an issue, that is exactly what you do when you teach them about sex and then hand out birth control.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 08:59 AM   #503
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Iím not ďframingĒ it as an equal rights issue, it IS an equal rights issue.
No, it isnít. Youíve been shown why it isnít.

Continuing to cry about it being an equal rights issue shows willful ignorance on your part.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:07 AM   #504
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Studies find what you pay them to, telling a child they are not able to control themselves is an issue, that is exactly what you do when you teach them about sex and then hand out birth control.
THIS is exactly why I call you narrow minded. You are simply choosing to IGNORE science because it doesn't say what YOU want it to say.

The FACT remains. You can take ANY group, based on race, religion, upbringing or economic status and a certain percentage of those children/young adults WILL have sex. Nothing anyone can do or say is going to change that fact.

Giving them sex ed and birth control DOES NOT CHANGE THE PERCENTAGE.

If 10% of kids from evangelical, two parent house holds engage in sex by the time they're 18 years old, then 10% are going to engage in sex whether or not they have had sex ed or access to birth control. The difference is, the group that has had sex ed and access to BC will have up to 70% less pregnancies.

Knowledge is power. It does NOT encourage them to have sex. What it does is give them the tools and information to make a much more informed decision when they do consider having sex. It removes the myths and outright lies about how you get pregnant and how to prevent it. The internet has proven surprisingly effective in combating teen pregnancy rates. Simply because the information is available if they want it.

The simple unadulterated truth is, if we implemented a nation wide sex education program and had universal low cost or free birth control, with in a generation we could reduce the number of abortions by as much as 50%, possibly more.

But people like you are why it will never happen. You willfully ignore the science and cling to your "belief" that teaching sex causes sex. So YOU and those like you are partially responsible for the current abortion rates.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:13 AM   #505
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Studies find what you pay them to, telling a child they are not able to control themselves is an issue, that is exactly what you do when you teach them about sex and then hand out birth control.
Actually studies usually present the facts. This is the equivalent of yelling ďfake newsĒ when you donít hear what you like.

Here are the facts: The number of abortions and teenage pregnancies per year have been steadily declining for the last 20 years despite the population increasing.

You seem to think that we need to ban abortions sex education in public schools to reduce these things when the facts show that is the wrong approach.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:14 AM   #506
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So then, I would think you, personally, would have to believe that the right of an already-born child to obtain adequate support is not inalienable.

If so, then how is that belief not demeaning to the child?
What decision tree led to that situation? Actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:42 AM   #507
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No, it isnít. Youíve been shown why it isnít.

Continuing to cry about it being an equal rights issue shows willful ignorance on your part.
I have been shown no such thing.

A woman can legally choose to avoid the financial responsibility of a child, a man canít.

Inequality on display.
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I have been shown no such thing.

A woman can legally choose to avoid the financial responsibility of a child, a man canít.

Inequality on display.
Dude, condom, no financial responsibility....
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Dude, condom, no financial responsibility....
In your idiotic scenario the woman didnít use a condom either, but she still has the option to avoid financial responsibility by killing the kid.

Next?
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Old January 17th, 2018, 10:11 AM   #510
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I have been shown no such thing.

A woman can legally choose to avoid the financial responsibility of a child, a man can’t.

Inequality on display.
Because the woman is the one who is pregnant the man is not.

Legal equality only applies to those who are similarly situated. In regards to pregnancy and childbirth men and women are not similarly situated.

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