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Old January 31st, 2018, 11:15 AM   #1
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Can a High School Ban Students from Kneeling during the National Anthem?

The crowd was mostly white when the high school quarterback knelt during the national anthem, his silent protest playing out on a cool desert night. It was the second time that V.A., the 17-year-old star player from San Pasqual Valley High in Winterhaven, California, had taken a knee to protest racial injustice, an act inspired by the NFL players who’d sat, knelt, or raised fists that fall.

But the first time had been on his home field in front of supportive classmates and parents, most of them Latino or, like V.A., Native American. This time, he was 250 miles from home, in Mayer, Arizona, before a high school whose student body was 78% white.

The crowd was silent as the music blared, and the game went on as normal, with Mayer winning 78–8. The repercussions came later.

After the Oct. 6 game, five or six Mayer High students approached a pair of San Pasqual Valley cheerleaders and V.A.’s mother, who is the cheerleading coach, outside the visitors’ locker room. According to her testimony, the Mayer students said they were looking for the boy who had knelt so they could “pull him onto our field and force him to stand.”

“Go back across the border,” one said, according to the testimony.

“We stole your land.”

“This is America.”

Other students, and some adults, joined in the taunts, she said, and some hurled water on the San Pasqual Valley cheerleaders, players, and coaches as they lined up to board their bus.

Six days later, the San Pasqual Valley school district superintendent, Rauna Fox, announced a new policy: Anyone who didn’t stand for the national anthem would be kicked off the team. V.A., who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation, was stunned.

Hoping to continue his protest through basketball season in the winter and baseball in the spring, the teen and his family have sued the school district, alleging a violation of his constitutional right to free speech — the latest chapter in the movement sparked by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in August 2016.

What started as a demonstration among professional athletes against racism and police brutality has spread to high school athletes, including cheerleaders, and ignited debate over students’ First Amendment rights. Half a century after the US Supreme Court ruled that an Iowa high school had illegally barred students from protesting the war in Vietnam, V.A.’s lawsuit could set new precedents on free speech protections for public school students.

“The people who are trying to stifle speech should not be able to do so by shouting down those who protest or threatening them,” said Ira Gottlieb, the attorney representing V.A.’s family. “We need greater protections than that.”

Long before judges got involved, school administrators and youth coaches across the country decided on whether to allow the protests, which spread across the country through the fall as students followed the lead of the more than 200 professional football players who knelt or sat this season.

Since last summer, at least five high schools and colleges have banned anthem protests, and at least four students have been disciplined, including being suspended and kicked off sports teams. On the other end of the spectrum, the DeKalb County School District in Georgia defended its students’ right to protest after receiving a complaint about high school softball players kneeling during the anthem.

The backlash over the protests has turned the country’s most popular sport into its most polarizing. A survey by the polling firm Morning Consult found that the percentage of Donald Trump voters who viewed the NFL unfavorably jumped from around 25% in early September — the same rate as Hillary Clinton voters — to more than 60% by the end of the month. Clinton voters stayed about the same.

Some fans called for a boycott of the league. So many people ended their NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions, a cable package that offers every game, that DirecTV refunded those who cited the player protests as their reason for canceling, the Wall Street Journal reported. One Florida restaurant hosted a party to burn NFL merchandise, offering free food to anyone who tossed items into fiery barrels set up on the property. A Denver Ford dealership, the Air Academy Federal Credit Union, and the telecommunications company CenturyLink ended endorsement deals with protesting players.

“You might as well be stomping on the flag,” said Bill Rutledge, a 69-year-old retired car salesperson, Vietnam war veteran, and former Cleveland Browns season ticket holder living in Florida. “I hope they realize the pain they have caused those of us that were fans but are soldiers first. They have been stepping on our hearts and souls.”

Administrators in the San Pasqual Valley school district have tried to avoid confronting the issue. On Oct. 12, six days after the trip to Mayer, the football team played its last game of the season. On orders of the school district — and for the first time any of the seniors attending could remember — the national anthem was not played before the game.

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Old January 31st, 2018, 11:49 AM   #2
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Public schools cannot force students to display patriotism. Students can't be forced to stand for the anthem or for the pledge or even for a moment of silence. They can't be forced to participate in anything perceived as patriotic or religious or protesting. They can't be forced to SING or SAY anything which contradicts their beliefs.

Having said that, public school officials, parents and students can make life PRETTY miserable for any student who chooses to kneel, sit or protest.
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They already ban students from kneeling.
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So what do they do with Amish students or 7th Day Adventists, they won't stand for anthem or pledge allegiance to the flag?

What would do with the Pilgrim Fathers, who made Christmas illegal?
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They already ban students from kneeling.


Source?? Here's mine: Nearly 75 years ago, the Supreme Court rightly held that state schools have no business forcing students to stand for patriotic rituals...Indeed, schools should respect students who embrace their constitutional rights and stand up to injustice – not punish them. And it would be patently unconstitutional for the school to do so.

Public schools cannot discipline students for silent acts of political protest, as long as they don’t disrupt the operations of a school, according to Frank LoMonte, of the Student Press Law Center. Those acts include kneeling for the anthem or refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 1943
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The school tried to enforced standing for the National Anthem after this incident and the the thing went to court. It is California, how would you think it went for the school?

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Source?? Here's mine: Nearly 75 years ago, the Supreme Court rightly held that state schools have no business forcing students to stand for patriotic rituals...Indeed, schools should respect students who embrace their constitutional rights and stand up to injustice – not punish them. And it would be patently unconstitutional for the school to do so.

Public schools cannot discipline students for silent acts of political protest, as long as they don’t disrupt the operations of a school, according to Frank LoMonte, of the Student Press Law Center. Those acts include kneeling for the anthem or refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 1943
That means I spent the first EIGHT YEARS of my schooling with my rights being violated !!! Ever day we stood and the first thing that happened was some one said a prayer over the school's speaker system, and then we said the pledge of allegiance. ADN GOD HELP YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BOW YOUR HEAD OR FIDGETED TOO MUCH, or in any way failed to utterly and absolutely obey. STRAIGHT to the office and SPANKED by the vice principal !!!

In jr high we had a few Jewish kids and one something else, I never knew what. When their parents brought the matter to the school, the school's "compromise" was that those kids could "step into the hall" during the prayer. Stupid since there was no place in the building you couldn't hear the damned speaker system. That lasted for all of a week as kids being kids made their lives a living hell for being different and hating God and anything else totally horrible they could think up to say.

I remember just how brutal kids in school could be. For a high school kid to take a stand ? Especially an unpopular one, is truly HEROIC !!! We should support and protect them, NOT PUNISH THEM.

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That means I spent the first EIGHT YEARS of my schooling with my rights being violated !!! Ever day we stood and the first thing that happened was some one said a prayer over the school's speaker system, and then we said the pledge of allegiance. ADN GOD HELP YOU IF YOU DIDN'T BOW YOUR HEAD OR FIDGETED TOO MUCH, or in any way failed to utterly and absolutely obey. STRAIGHT to the office and SPANKED by the vice principal !!!


Oh I'm sure the law is disregarded ALL THE TIME...probably not so much lately.

Back in the day I would NEVER have questioned authority because IF I did, my parents would have killed me...and my dad was on the school board. YIKES. I never got away with anything.

Small town. My father and grandfather owned the grocery store on Main St. My mother worked for the attorney in town. Dad was on the school board. One day I was walking home from school with Christine Skaife. Rumor had it that Christine (16 yrs old) SMOKED. Some busy-body told my Grampa who told my dad.
I got grounded for two weeks for simply WALKING HOME with her. Good girls don't hang out with BAD girls. Period.
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Oh I'm sure the law is disregarded ALL THE TIME...probably not so much lately.

Back in the day I would NEVER have questioned authority because IF I did, my parents would have killed me...and my dad was on the school board. YIKES. I never got away with anything.

Small town. My father and grandfather owned the grocery store on Main St. My mother worked for the attorney in town. Dad was on the school board. One day I was walking home from school with Christine Skaife. Rumor had it that Christine (16 yrs old) SMOKED. Some busy-body told my Grampa who told my dad.
I got grounded for two weeks for simply WALKING HOME with her. Good girls don't hang out with BAD girls. Period.
Actually, very recently a student in north Louisiana had to file a suit to stop forced prayer in her school. It's 2018 WHY are we still having to fight for our most basic rights ???

Student files suit against Louisiana school over prayer in the classroom | abc13.com

And here's what I truly don't understand. Naturally someone of a different religion or non religious wouldn't want their child forced to pray. But what truly boggles my mind are the devoutly religious that think it's perfectly OK !!!

Let's face it, right or wrong, the government has a LOT of say in how you raise your children. Let them run wild and you'll be accused of neglect. Too strict and you can be charged with abuse !! The ONE place the courts and child services normally fear to tread is on what religion you teach your kids.

Do the deeply religious parents NOT understand that by letting the school board usurp their authority they are GIVING AWAY one of the few rights they still posses ?? I utterly fail to understand why any deeply religious parent would allow the school board to strip away their right to teach their children their religion.
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freedom of expression..freedom to pray and make the sign of the cross when passing the church.. freedom of speech..

its wrong to be intimadeted for what you believe.
its wrong to make laws that the gov think is right when the rest of the world say its not

remember what the rest of the world did when trumo wouldent let people come home.

a breech of the peace arrest stays with you for life

while worse crimes records are wiped clean after 15 years.

trump got us close to a nuke war. did anyone wonder why the gov allowed it
nuthings right no more. I got my job cut out for me pretecting Austin
from seeing all that as right.
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