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Old February 5th, 2018, 05:11 PM   #1
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The Smearing of Christopher Steele

The historical Steele differs from the alternative facts-based Steele.
The Smearing of Christopher Steele

In his effort to malign the U.S. Justice system and confuse the American people in a hail-Mary attempt to protect President Donald Trump, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes seems to also have confused himself.

...Like many observers, I was underwhelmed by the memo. Given all the hype and high-level attention, I wasn’t expecting quite such a lame effort. The memo is little more than a partisan hatchet job, and others have already made mincemeat of the many false assumptions, cherry-picked arguments, poorly articulated conclusions and poor reasoning.

... the Nunes memo claims that Steele was “a longtime FBI source.” Based on my experience, that’s unlikely. The word “source” has a very specific meaning in the intelligence community. In general, an intelligence source is someone under some level of U.S. government control, who is met and managed in a secret or clandestine manner according to rules set by the director of national intelligence. Steele does not fit the criteria.

...the memo’s most serious weakness is the same as with all the other attacks on the Steele document – they pretend that the content doesn’t exist. Instead, they dwell on how the research was funded, and make no effort to refute the specific allegations. They look at it through a partisan lens and discount the substance.
Lots more: https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mearing-216940
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Old February 5th, 2018, 05:17 PM   #2
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Russian bots were very much involved in hyping this memo. I find it amazing that history has lead the Republican Party to this point.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 06:41 PM   #3
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Steele is a highly respected source of information from Russia.
The FBI has a high opinion of his product, it is considered to be very reliable.

If you want proof of the validity of the dossier, look at President Trump's actions.
He just declined to sanction Russia, politically that was a no-brainer, the idea that Russia has some kind of leverage with him explains his actions on sanctions, better than anything he's offered.

The right cannot mention the dossier without calling it false, fake, political houha.

But nothing in the dossier has been shown to be false.
And a lot of it has proven true.
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Steele intentionally created a document full of intentionally false garbage. He is a complete scum bag.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 07:03 PM   #5
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I love how this is playing out...the DNC gets hacked. The emails get released showing the corruption w/in the democratic party. They do not deny this. Instead they scream "russians!! Russians!"

Now they cries russians so much that an investigation has been opened and what happens? Every step of the way more DNC corruption comes to light. So awesome.

Remember during the election when trump said that they wiretapped his campaign and all of the leftists called him crazy.


Remember the first story "broken" from this steele thingie? Trump went to russia and rented the same room that the obamas stayed in. Then he rented some girls and had them pee on the bed that the obamas once slept in. Yup. That is the story. Who ran w/ it first? Buzzfeed...yup BUZZFEED. And the lemmings ate it up.

So pardon me if i find this credibility a bit lacking.
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Steele intentionally created a document full of intentionally false garbage. He is a complete scum bag.
Do you have anything other than your and the Republican President's wishful thinking to base that on?
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Steele is a highly respected source of information from Russia.
The FBI has a high opinion of his product, it is considered to be very reliable.

If you want proof of the validity of the dossier, look at President Trump's actions.
He just declined to sanction Russia, politically that was a no-brainer, the idea that Russia has some kind of leverage with him explains his actions on sanctions, better than anything he's offered.

The right cannot mention the dossier without calling it false, fake, political houha.

But nothing in the dossier has been shown to be false.
And a lot of it has proven true.
• "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." --- Donald Trump Jr., September 2008

• "We don’t rely on American banks [...] We have all the funding we need out of Russia. We go there all the time". Eric Trump, August 2013. In May 2017, he claimed he'd never said this.

• Trump tells David Letterman that he’s done “a lot of business with the Russians” and says they are “smart” and “tough” and that they don’t look “so dumb right now.” He calls Putin a “tough guy” and says that he “met him once.” --- Oct. 17, 2013

• I do have a relationship and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today,” he said on MSNBC of the Miss Universe pageant. “He’s probably very interested in what you and I are saying today, and I’m sure he’s going to be seeing it in some form, but I do have a relationship with him and I think it’s very interesting to see what’s happened.” --- November 2013. Listen to it: https://youtu.be/ZqCo8e459Vo

• Then switching gears: "Well, Mitt was right, and he was also right when he mentioned in one of the debates about Russia, and he said, 'Russia's our biggest problem, and Russia is, you know, really something'. He said it's a hell of a problem, and everybody laughed at him, including certain media, by the way. They laughed. It turned out that he's absolutely right." Donald Trump, Fox and Friends, March 24, 2014

• ”I own Miss Universe, I was in Russia, I was in Moscow recently and I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin, who could not have been nicer, and we had a tremendous success.” --- National Press Club, May 27, 2014

I've just scratched the surface: 80 times Trump talked about Putin

OK, OK, enough, the point is Trump according to Trump is tight with Putin.

Later:

“I never met Putin,” Trump said. “I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. He said I'm a genius. I said thank you very much to the newspaper and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.” --- News conference, July 27, 2016

• “I don’t know Putin. I think it would be great if we got along with Russia because we could fight ISIS together, as an example. But I don’t know Putin.” --- Presidential debate, Oct. 9, 2016

I can't understand why anyone would defend DJT, but I can understand why Trump et al have done everything possible to discredit Steele. They are hiding their deep Russian connections. Mueller, with the help of people like Steele, will uncover them.
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Steele intentionally created a document full of intentionally false garbage. He is a complete scum bag.
Point out a couple of examples of the more obvious false garbage.

You could do the same Jimmyb.
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Steele is a highly respected source of information from Russia.
The FBI has a high opinion of his product, it is considered to be very reliable.

If you want proof of the validity of the dossier, look at President Trump's actions.
He just declined to sanction Russia, politically that was a no-brainer, the idea that Russia has some kind of leverage with him explains his actions on sanctions, better than anything he's offered.

The right cannot mention the dossier without calling it false, fake, political houha.

But nothing in the dossier has been shown to be false.
And a lot of it has proven true.
So Comey is on record denouncing the veracity of the dossier because why?
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Old February 5th, 2018, 07:49 PM   #10
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I love how this is playing out...the DNC gets hacked. The emails get released showing the corruption w/in the democratic party. They do not deny this. Instead they scream "russians!! Russians!"

Now they cries russians so much that an investigation has been opened and what happens? Every step of the way more DNC corruption comes to light. So awesome.

Remember during the election when trump said that they wiretapped his campaign and all of the leftists called him crazy.


Remember the first story "broken" from this steele thingie? Trump went to russia and rented the same room that the obamas stayed in. Then he rented some girls and had them pee on the bed that the obamas once slept in. Yup. That is the story. Who ran w/ it first? Buzzfeed...yup BUZZFEED. And the lemmings ate it up.

So pardon me if i find this credibility a bit lacking.
Nope, no pardons for you. Your perfidious post just ran through the list of logical fallacies and you attacked the source to boot.

And everything you said, everything, you pulled out of your ass.

"Anecdotal" would be a step up in quality for ya, for sure.

No evidence for Obama wiretapping Trump. None. According to Nunes.
Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr said on 16 March there were "no indications" that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the US government either before or after Election Day 2016.

Earlier that day, House Speaker Paul Ryan also said "no such wiretap existed".

And the previous day, House of Representatives Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes said: "We don't have any evidence."

"I don't think there was an actual tap of Trump Tower," he told a news conference.

"Are you going to take the tweets literally?" asked Rep Nunes. "If so, clearly the president was wrong."
Trump wiretapping claim: Did Obama bug his successor? - BBC News
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