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Old February 9th, 2018, 10:13 AM   #11
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A lot of real progressives and leftists in America have completely given up on the Democratic Party after last falls jarring poll report that a little over half of all registered Democrats now report having a favorable opinion of George W Bush! Let that sink in for a moment! President Dumbass...one of the greatest war criminals of all time...lied America into a war that left between 100,000 to one million Iraqis dead, is now looked on favorably by Democrats who call themselves 'liberals' nowadays. Some words have no real meanings!

Years ago, the great social commentator- George Carlin said:
"It's all one big club, and you ain't in it!"


Ex presidents tend to have their approval ratings go up over time. Even Nixon eventually went from political pariah to elder statesmen.

Also compared to Trump, Bush seems like a calm rational and logical person.
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A lot of real progressives and leftists in America have completely given up on the Democratic Party after last falls jarring poll report that a little over half of all registered Democrats now report having a favorable opinion of George W Bush! Let that sink in for a moment! President Dumbass...one of the greatest war criminals of all time...lied America into a war that left between 100,000 to one million Iraqis dead, is now looked on favorably by Democrats who call themselves 'liberals' nowadays. Some words have no real meanings!

Years ago, the great social commentator- George Carlin said:
"It's all one big club, and you ain't in it!"


The irony evidently is lost on ya....

I adore Carlin, but as I've aged it's become clear to me that humankind always has been a collection of better and worse, not best and worst. The US isn't the worst.

I've been criticizing the US government since the VN War. We've had one - that's ONE - president who's not been a member of The Club: James Earl Carter. Trust me. If it comes down to Trump or someone else in 2020, unless Trump dies and is resurrected a new person it's going to be someone else for almost every D and I.

I don't have a single liberal or independent friend who looks favorably on GW. The consensus among my friends is GW was too dumb or too "patriotic" to resist the goading of truly evil men who surrounded him. He began awakening near the end of his terms, but it was too late.

The rightists backed GW to the hilt. They maintain no Russian interference; it was and is all a guise pulled off by the sore loser Democrats.

But he says, wait a minute. There's "pretty clear evidence' the Russians meddled.

Not a rightist has commented on this, and if one does after my post, watch the song and dance routine they'll do.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 11:56 AM   #13
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The irony evidently is lost on ya....

I adore Carlin, but as I've aged it's become clear to me that humankind always has been a collection of better and worse, not best and worst. The US isn't the worst.

I've been criticizing the US government since the VN War. We've had one - that's ONE - president who's not been a member of The Club: James Earl Carter. Trust me. If it comes down to Trump or someone else in 2020, unless Trump dies and is resurrected a new person it's going to be someone else for almost every D and I.

I don't have a single liberal or independent friend who looks favorably on GW. The consensus among my friends is GW was too dumb or too "patriotic" to resist the goading of truly evil men who surrounded him. He began awakening near the end of his terms, but it was too late.

The rightists backed GW to the hilt. They maintain no Russian interference; it was and is all a guise pulled off by the sore loser Democrats.

But he says, wait a minute. There's "pretty clear evidence' the Russians meddled.

Not a rightist has commented on this, and if one does after my post, watch the song and dance routine they'll do.

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But he says, wait a minute. There's "pretty clear evidence' the Russians meddled.

Not a rightist has commented on this, and if one does after my post, watch the song and dance routine they'll do.

You guys keep changing your tune.


Now the russians meddled ?


So no longer is the accusation that trump and putin colluded?


Of course the russians attempted to influence the election. I do not think anyone is saying otherwise.


You guys keep mixing a few seperate things together.


The DNC leaks

The leaks expose corruption inside of the DNC

The DNC blames that on russians

Hillary "looses" 20,000 emails

Trump combines the two in a shot at hillary during a debate saying that maybe the russians can find her missing emails

The legacy media spins that as trump asking the russians for help finding the emails

A year and a half investigation into a trump/putin conspiracy

It has now regressed into russian "meddling"

Ok. Sure.


As i have said a number of times that the obama administration was just an extension of the bush administration and the clinton administration would have been just more of the same.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 01:54 PM   #14
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Years ago, the great social commentator- George Carlin said:
"It's all one big club, and you ain't in it!"

It's actually a very small club.
AND here they are--every single one a thousand times better than the disaster we've got now.



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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:32 PM   #17
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Ex presidents tend to have their approval ratings go up over time. Even Nixon eventually went from political pariah to elder statesmen.

Also compared to Trump, Bush seems like a calm rational and logical person.
I'd like to see those numbers on Nixon...he had to maintain a pretty low profile after leaving office. But Dubya did things that were worse than Nixon...at least if we judge him by the casualty numbers. The only reason why Bush2 was rehabilitated so fast is because the other guy in that love in photo I posted earlier, went on to establish precedent by failing to prosecute the illegal policies of the Bush Administration: Illegal wars started under false pretences, warrantless wiretapping, mass surveillance even starting a couple of brand new wars...he did end the torture program, BUT it has to be noted, did not allow investigations and/or charges to be laid against Bush and other co-conspirators/but instead had whistleblowers like Bradley/Chelsea Manning arrested and incarcerated for revealing crimes. One whistleblower- former CIA agent- John Kiriakou, had the full weight of the Federal Government thrown at him by the Obama Justice Dept., and his lawyers advised him to take a plea deal rather than try to fight the one flimsy charge that he believed was unconstitutional: that he confirmed the accuracy of a story on CIA torture NYTimes reporter-James Risen had worked on with other, unrevealed sources.

So, in retrospect, is it any surprise that Bush would be fully rehabilitated within the eight years of a Democrat administration that stayed the course on foreign policy? Birds of a feather, flock together!
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Years ago, the great social commentator- George Carlin said:
"It's all one big club, and you ain't in it!"

It's actually a very small club.
AND here they are--every single one a thousand times better than the disaster we've got now.

Let's see: war criminal, war criminal, war criminal war criminal, and yes, that last one though less overt than the other four, was also a war criminal
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08...enched-legacy/

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SMH

You guys keep changing your tune.


Now the russians meddled ?


So no longer is the accusation that trump and putin colluded?


Of course the russians attempted to influence the election. I do not think anyone is saying otherwise.


You guys keep mixing a few seperate things together.


The DNC leaks

The leaks expose corruption inside of the DNC

The DNC blames that on russians

Hillary "looses" 20,000 emails

Trump combines the two in a shot at hillary during a debate saying that maybe the russians can find her missing emails

The legacy media spins that as trump asking the russians for help finding the emails

A year and a half investigation into a trump/putin conspiracy

It has now regressed into russian "meddling"

Ok. Sure.


As i have said a number of times that the obama administration was just an extension of the bush administration and the clinton administration would have been just more of the same.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 10:01 PM   #20
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The irony evidently is lost on ya....

I adore Carlin, but as I've aged it's become clear to me that humankind always has been a collection of better and worse, not best and worst. The US isn't the worst.
Yes the US is the worst! Especially now that the powers behind the scenes of the American Empire(starting with the CIA-which is tasked with making these future projections of world affairs) have realized for the past 20 years that the empire is collapsing in upon itself. They are becoming increasingly more ruthless and desperate to maintain rulership of global trade, currency and economic policy. The "Pivot to Asia" announced under Obama...essentially pivoting the majority of US carrier fleets and naval resources to point east and aim at China, is one part of the US response to China's economic rise, by attempting to intimidate and bluff China and its other trade partners that the US is willing to go to war with them to prevent being moved off of center stage.

It's not just a matter of intentions or desires! It's also about destructive potential...and if you have military forces that outspend the next 10 largest combined, that makes your country the worst offender in causing human misery by starting and deliberately prolonging wars around the world.

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I've been criticizing the US government since the VN War. We've had one - that's ONE - president who's not been a member of The Club: James Earl Carter. Trust me.
NO, Jimmy's a member of the club also, as the Counterpunch article and a few other independent sources have laid out before: https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08...enched-legacy/ as contributor- Matt Peppe showed, Jimmy Carter was a lot like Barack and certainly not at all like Trump..who openly flaunts his beligerence. But, while Carter was making a public show of concern for human rights around the world, he was propping up the usual dictators in Central and South America, Africa and Asia. Worst thing he did was start the US policy of arming Saudi jihadists sent to Afghanistan...the Mujaheddin...which became better known as Al Qaeda a coupld of decades later! No, it wasn't Reagan who started sending them arms...it was Jimmy!
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If it comes down to Trump or someone else in 2020, unless Trump dies and is resurrected a new person it's going to be someone else for almost every D and I.
Someone like Mike Pence perhaps? Because if you get your wish and Trump is impeached as a result of Mueller's investigations, that's what you'll end up with: a well mannered, intelligent, diabolical shark, who's capable of causing evil that Trump can only wish for!
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I don't have a single liberal or independent friend who looks favorably on GW. The consensus among my friends is GW was too dumb or too "patriotic" to resist the goading of truly evil men who surrounded him. He began awakening near the end of his terms, but it was too late.
I'm still stuck on that poll conducted back in November, showing 52% of Democrats declaring a favorable opinion of GW Bush. What exactly does it mean policy wise, or ideologically to be a Democrat anyway? One thing a lot of low brow Americans are becoming sure of is the Democratic Party does not represent average working people and has no interest in them...cause that's not where the money is!
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The rightists backed GW to the hilt. They maintain no Russian interference; it was and is all a guise pulled off by the sore loser Democrats.
Which is the truth, since we learned thanks to Wikileaks(and Donna Brasile), that those sore loser democrats...DNC to be exact, were under the control of the Clinton Campaign and doing their bidding all through the primaries. It was all a sham by an organization that decided before the campaign began who would be the leader of their party. I just want to know why there's no focus on the internal rigging of the primaries, caucuses and let's not forget "super" delegates who had been rounded up and had deals made before the campaign started. Instead, we get breathless breaking news on CNN about Russian trolls buying $100,000 worth of Facebook ads to fix the Election for Trump...which sure was an efficient operation compared to Hillary's multibillion dollar campaign for the White House!

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But he says, wait a minute. There's "pretty clear evidence' the Russians meddled
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And what evidence did George provide?

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Not a rightist has commented on this, and if one does after my post, watch the song and dance routine they'll do.
Like I said before, I'm not interested in the dance between Dems and Repubs, but what revelations like the Nunes Memo tell us about Mueller and how the FBI functions....the real government in action.
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