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Old February 8th, 2018, 10:50 AM   #1
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Bush did it

Watch. Watch former Bush supporters hang him.

But when you do the tally, both Bush and Trump have admitted Russia interfered.

When will DJ's base get up to speed??
George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election

Former President George W. Bush said Thursday that there is "pretty clear evidence that the Russians meddled" in the 2016 presidential election, a seeming rebuke of President Donald Trump, who has at times questioned the intelligence community’s assessment that the Kremlin is to blame.

"Whether [Russia] affected the outcome is another question," Bush said at a conference in Abu Dhabi, according to a USA Today report. "It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.”

The former president did not mention Trump by name, but Bush’s unequivocal statements on the issue ran counter to the rhetoric that has emerged from the Trump administration. Trump himself was slow to accept the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia had operated an interference campaign targeting the 2016 election with the aim of aiding his candidacy, insisting for a time that it was China or even a "400-pound person sitting in bed."

The president has since conceded that the Russian government was behind the cyber campaign but has been decidedly soft in his rhetoric toward the Kremlin, especially relative to his get-tough approach to foreign policy elsewhere around the globe. Trump’s stance on Russia has puzzled U.S. allies and lawmakers from both parties.
More: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eddling-398173
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I agree a democracy must have trust, and I am afraid our own media and our own game players have destroyed that. Trump certainly is not a man to build trust in our media or our government.

We need to up our standards, and that will not happen unless it becomes a goal of education, to teach critical thinking skills and return to preparing citizens to feel responsible for being well informed and politically active. We need to get a lot of crap out of our lives so we are not distracted from reality and our duty.

How many people listen to public broadcasting news reports including news programs done other nations? We need to expand our knowledge and do more independent thinking. We need to stop being suckers and so easily emotionally manipulated.

Forums such as this one can increase independent thinking skills and the formation people have before making decisions.
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I agree a democracy must have trust, and I am afraid our own media and our own game players have destroyed that. Trump certainly is not a man to build trust in our media or our government.

We need to up our standards, and that will not happen unless it becomes a goal of education, to teach critical thinking skills and return to preparing citizens to feel responsible for being well informed and politically active. We need to get a lot of crap out of our lives so we are not distracted from reality and our duty.

How many people listen to public broadcasting news reports including news programs done other nations? We need to expand our knowledge and do more independent thinking. We need to stop being suckers and so easily emotionally manipulated.

Forums such as this one can increase independent thinking skills and the formation people have before making decisions.
So, do you agree with Bush?
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I think Bush is right. There is evidence the Russians meddled with our last election. Whether to help Hillary or Trump is immaterial. The point in them doing so is to undermine our trust in the system. They've done a spectacular job.
But they couldn't have done it on their own. The ground work has long been laid by our own citizens and all the Russians had to do was to exploit our self deluded paranoias mixed with the facts.
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Watch. Watch former Bush supporters hang him.

But when you do the tally, both Bush and Trump have admitted Russia interfered.

When will DJ's base get up to speed??
George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election

Former President George W. Bush said Thursday that there is "pretty clear evidence that the Russians meddled" in the 2016 presidential election, a seeming rebuke of President Donald Trump, who has at times questioned the intelligence community’s assessment that the Kremlin is to blame.

"Whether [Russia] affected the outcome is another question," Bush said at a conference in Abu Dhabi, according to a USA Today report. "It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.”

The former president did not mention Trump by name, but Bush’s unequivocal statements on the issue ran counter to the rhetoric that has emerged from the Trump administration. Trump himself was slow to accept the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia had operated an interference campaign targeting the 2016 election with the aim of aiding his candidacy, insisting for a time that it was China or even a "400-pound person sitting in bed."

The president has since conceded that the Russian government was behind the cyber campaign but has been decidedly soft in his rhetoric toward the Kremlin, especially relative to his get-tough approach to foreign policy elsewhere around the globe. Trump’s stance on Russia has puzzled U.S. allies and lawmakers from both parties.
More: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eddling-398173
We have been telling you this.

Adam Schiff was trying to rig the election, he jumped on a deal to get BUCK NAKED PICTURES of trump from Russians (he didn't realize he was being pranked)

Hillary hired a Foreign Agent that worked with the Russians to create a Dossier to rig the election.

Hillary's allies in the Department of State, also fed false information to the a foreign agent in an attempt to prevent trump from winning.

SO YES.. THE RUSSIAN/DEMOCRAT PARTY COLLUSION WAS REAL.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 10:10 PM   #6
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I think Bush is right. There is evidence the Russians meddled with our last election. Whether to help Hillary or Trump is immaterial. The point in them doing so is to undermine our trust in the system. They've done a spectacular job.
But they couldn't have done it on their own. The ground work has long been laid by our own citizens and all the Russians had to do was to exploit our self deluded paranoias mixed with the facts.
Well....
September 2008: Donald Trump Jr., then an executive vice president of The Trump Organization, states, "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."[3][4]

2011–2013: Russian protests against the legislative and presidential election processes. Putin accuses then-U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with interfering in Russian politics.[5]

August 2013: Eric Trump tells author James Dodson "We don’t rely on American banks [...] We have all the funding we need out of Russia", and states "We go there all the time". Eric Trump states in May 2017 that this was "fabricated" and is an example of why people distrust the media.[6][3][7][8][9]

October 2013: In an appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman, Donald Trump states that he has conducted "a lot of business with the Russians" and that he has met President Vladimir Putin.[10]

November 2013: The Trump-owned Miss Universe pageant is held in Moscow, sponsored by VTB Bank.[6] The event’s $20 million dollar licensing fee is paid by a Moscow real estate development firm called the Crocus Group, whose president is Aras Agalarov and Vice President is his son, pop singer Emin Agalarov.[11] Following this event, Trump tells Real Estate Weekly that "the Russian market is attracted to me, I have a great relationship with many Russians".[3]

January 2015: A court filing by the US government contains a transcript of a recorded conversation between two members of a Russian SVR spy ring, Victor Podobnyy and Igor Sporyshev. Their conversation concerns efforts to recruit "Male-1", later confirmed as Carter Page. Podobnyy describes Page as an "idiot" and tells Sporyshev, "You get the documents from him and tell him to go fuck himself".[12][13]

Spring 2015: U.S. Intelligence intercepts conversations of Russian government officials discussing associates of Donald Trump.[14]

April 2015: Flynn begins advising ACU Strategic Partners, a company that seeks to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East involving a sanctioned Russian company.[15]

June 2015: Flynn travels to the Middle East. Evidence presented by members of Congress to Mueller in September 2017 indicates that his purpose was to promote a Russian-backed plan for the building of forty nuclear reactors, with "total regional security" to be provided by US-sanctioned Russian weapons exporter Rosoboron.[16][17][18][19]

June 18, 2015
Trump answers “yes,” when asked by Fox News' Sean Hannity if he’s had any contact with Vladimir Putin.

“So I was there two years ago. We had a tremendous success with the Miss Universe contest in -- I own Miss Universe, Miss USA, all of that, and it does great,” Trump said. “It's on NBC, but that's OK. But it does fantastically well. And two years ago, we had it in Moscow, and it was a tremendous success. And I got to meet everybody. I got to meet all –”

When asked if he spoke to him during pageant, Trump responds, “I don't want to say.” Trump says Putin hates Obama and when Hannity asked if Putin told him that, Trump again says, “I don’t want to say.”

July 8, 2015: Trump tells CNN’s Anderson Cooper that if he becomes president, Putin would turn over Edward Snowden to the US.

“I think I get along with him fine,” Trump said of the Russian president. “I think he would be absolutely fine. He would never keep somebody like Snowden in Russia. He hates Obama. He doesn't respect Obama. Obama doesn't like him either. But he has no respect for Obama. Has a hatred for Obama. And Snowden is living the life. Look if that -- if I'm president, Putin says, hey, boom, you're gone. I guarantee you this.”

Aug. 29, 2015: Trump says that Putin “hates Obama,” but that he would get along great with the Russian president.

“Putin hates us,” he said. “He hates Obama. He doesn’t hate us. I think he’d like me. I’d get along great with him I think. If you want to know the truth.

Sept. 29, 2015: Trump tells Bill O’Reilly that Putin gets an ‘A’ for leadership.

"I will tell you that I think in terms of leadership, he is getting an 'A,' and our president is not doing so well," Trump said. "They did not look good together."

October 2015: For his remarks during a cybersecurity forum in Washington, D.C., Flynn receives $11,250 from Kaspersky Government Security Solutions Inc. which is the American subsidiary of Kaspersky Lab owned by Eugene Kaspersky.[20][21]

Oct. 6, 2015: Trump tells conservative radio host Michael Savage he’s met Vladimir Putin.

“Yes,” Trump says. “Yes, a long time ago. We got along great, by the way.”

December 2015: Flynn receives $45,000 from RT for a speaking engagement during the network's anniversary party in Moscow. He sits next to Vladimir Putin during this anniversary gala.[20][21]

Dec. 20, 2015: In an interview with ABC’s “This Week,” Trump defends against allegations Putin has ordered the killings of journalists and dissidents.

“As far as the reporters are concerned — as far as the reporters are concerned, obviously I don't want that to happen. I think it's terrible — horrible. But, in all fairness to Putin, you're saying he killed people. I haven't' seen that. I don't know that he has. Have you been able to prove that? Do you know the names of the reporters that he's killed? Because I've been — you know, you've been hearing this, but I haven't seen the name. Now, I think it would be despicable if that took place, but I haven't' seen any evidence that he killed anybody in terms of reporters.”

Feb. 17, 2016: Trump says at a rally that he has no relationship with Putin.

"I have no relationship with him other than he called me a genius,” Trump said. “He said, ‘Donald Trump is a genius and he is going to be the leader of the party and he's going to be the leader of the world or something.’”

May 5, 2016: Asked if he’s ever spoken to Vladimir Putin, Trump gives a “no comment” to Fox News’ Bret Baier.

“Yeah, I have no comment on that,” he said. “No comment.”

July 27, 2016: Trump tells a local Miami CBS affiliate that he has nothing to do with Russia and has never met Putin, saying, “But I have nothing to do with Russia, nothing to do, I never met Putin, I have nothing to do with Russia whatsoever.”
80 times Trump talked about Putin

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All the Russians had to do was exploit the character of narcissist Donald Trump who'd exploit the souls who'd been damaged from eight years of hating Obama.
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2011–2013: Russian protests against the legislative and presidential election processes. Putin accuses then-U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with interfering in Russian politics.[5]

All the Russians had to do was exploit the character of narcissist Donald Trump who'd exploit the souls who'd been damaged from eight years of hating Obama.
Russian government do very well job too the President today and 2 years back.

And this year the President promises the wall in south is a pretty job by current President.

Around 2000 miles.

Smaller immigration Trump promises.

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So, do you agree with Bush?
Whoo- agree with Bush about what? I was so depressed when Bush jr. was re-elected I could barely function for a week. Surely he has said something I could agree with, but I don't know what. Talk about controlled media, Bush jr. took that to an extreme.
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Imagine that, I read... "2011–2013: Russian protests against the legislative and presidential election processes. Putin accuses then-U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with interfering in Russian politics." and began laughing so hard my ability to concentrate on your argument was destroyed. My bad for sure, but considering how we use the CIA, and radio we have no room for throwing rocks at those who might "interfere with our elections". We proudly spread our propaganda around the world, so what are we complaining about?

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Propaganda? No. Bringing ?Voice of America? To America Is Good for Transparency
To be clear, there are real concerns about government propaganda, but those concerns are misplaced on the BBG. When the U.S. government seeks to sway popular opinion in the U.S. it has consistently turned to commercial media, not public media. See for example the Bush administration’s promotion of No Child Left Behind and the war on terror. In both cases, commercial media continued to air the government’s propaganda even after it has been exposed.

While the State Department has engaged in propaganda and psychological operations abroad, the programs housed within the BBG, such as Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, and Radio Free Asia, are now independent journalistic organizations. The board was put in place in the late 1990s as a firewall to better insulate journalists there from political influence, and its charter specifically protects objectivity and journalistic integrity. Finally, there is still a provision in the law that says no funding for the programs “shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States.”
Starting in Germany, we have evolved the science of manipulating the opinions of the masses. Surveys are done and then the political speeches are made, tailored to the interest of the public and the political goals of those campaigning for office. We use this technology and science of thought control around the world, so why throw stones at Russia? Hopefully, Russia does not have the equivalent of CIA operations in the US, stirring rebellions? Oh wait, when Russia was the USSR, didn't those terrible communists, raise trouble in the US?

Paranoia will destroy ya.

The place to take our concerns is education. Teach critical thinking skills, and the principles of democracy, and the meaning of good citizenship, and STOP WORRYING. WELL, PREPARED CITIZENS WILL MAKE GOOD CHOICES.
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Watch. Watch former Bush supporters hang him.

But when you do the tally, both Bush and Trump have admitted Russia interfered.

When will DJ's base get up to speed??
George W. Bush: There's clear evidence Russia 'meddled' in 2016 election

Former President George W. Bush said Thursday that there is "pretty clear evidence that the Russians meddled" in the 2016 presidential election, a seeming rebuke of President Donald Trump, who has at times questioned the intelligence community’s assessment that the Kremlin is to blame.

"Whether [Russia] affected the outcome is another question," Bush said at a conference in Abu Dhabi, according to a USA Today report. "It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.”

The former president did not mention Trump by name, but Bush’s unequivocal statements on the issue ran counter to the rhetoric that has emerged from the Trump administration. Trump himself was slow to accept the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia had operated an interference campaign targeting the 2016 election with the aim of aiding his candidacy, insisting for a time that it was China or even a "400-pound person sitting in bed."

The president has since conceded that the Russian government was behind the cyber campaign but has been decidedly soft in his rhetoric toward the Kremlin, especially relative to his get-tough approach to foreign policy elsewhere around the globe. Trump’s stance on Russia has puzzled U.S. allies and lawmakers from both parties.
More: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eddling-398173
A lot of real progressives and leftists in America have completely given up on the Democratic Party after last falls jarring poll report that a little over half of all registered Democrats now report having a favorable opinion of George W Bush! Let that sink in for a moment! President Dumbass...one of the greatest war criminals of all time...lied America into a war that left between 100,000 to one million Iraqis dead, is now looked on favorably by Democrats who call themselves 'liberals' nowadays. Some words have no real meanings!

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