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Old February 9th, 2018, 02:46 PM   #31
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The fox is guarding the henhouse....
How is this not a flawed or inaccurate analogy?

If the problem is global, then the entire planet is the "henhouse" & the "global warming deniers" & company are not foxes, they're "hens" in this henhouse just like everyone else, because they're Earthlings just like everyone else, here on Earth; they're not extraterrestrials (unless you actually want to assert this).

If we make - as the premise - that the "global warming deniers" & company are the foxes, then what would the henhouse be? In this case it can't be the entire planet; otherwise it wouldn't be the correct analogy.
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It could be that he's suggesting that it could benefit humans because he's deferring to what the scientists are actually telling him. Here's an example of a notable & well respected scientist saying this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKfWdXXfIs
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How is this not a flawed or inaccurate analogy?
It's an accurate analogy.

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If the problem is global, then the entire planet is the "henhouse" & the "global warming deniers" & company are not foxes....
The global warming/climate change crisis is indeed global. The 'henhouse' in the analogy refers to the governmental efforts to try to deal with this crisis. The 'global warming deniers' and their fossil fuel billionaire puppetmasters are the 'foxes' for whom their profits and stock prices are more important that leaving an inhabitable planet to our descendants. Putting these evil fucks in charge of the agencies that are supposed to be protecting the environment and dealing with the AGW/CC crisis is actually exactly like hiring the foxes to guard the henhouse.

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How is this not a flawed or inaccurate analogy?

If the problem is global, then the entire planet is the "henhouse" & the "global warming deniers" & company are not foxes, they're "hens" in this henhouse just like everyone else, because they're Earthlings just like everyone else, here on Earth; they're not extraterrestrials (unless you actually want to assert this).

If we make - as the premise - that the "global warming deniers" & company are the foxes, then what would the henhouse be? In this case it can't be the entire planet; otherwise it wouldn't be the correct analogy.
We're not only the second-largest producer of CO2 and other heat-retentive gases now, we were #1 for decades upon decades. What we do to curb our output of heat-retentive gases has a disproportionate effect compared to similar efforts by other countries.

This man heading the EPA has been a vociferous critic of the EPA, and a big recipient of fossil fuel campaign dollars.

The analogy is perfect.
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It could be that he's suggesting that it could benefit humans because he's deferring to what the scientists are actually telling him. Here's an example of a notable & well respected scientist saying this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKfWdXXfIs
He has great credentials:

Freeman John Dyson FRS is an English-born American theoretical physicist and mathematician. He is known for his work in quantum electrodynamics, solid-state physics, astronomy and nuclear engineering.


But none in climatology.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 07:06 PM   #36
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It could be that he's suggesting that it could benefit humans because he's deferring to what the scientists are actually telling him. Here's an example of a notable & well respected scientist saying this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKfWdXXfIs
More denier cult bullshit! Tens of thousands of scientists who are involved in the study of climate and related scientific disciplines have strongly affirmed both the reality of human caused global warming/climate change and the extreme dangers human civilization and life on this planet face as a result. There is a high degree of consensus in the world scientific community on these points.

Freeman Dyson is a retired 94 year old physicist who specialized in electrodynamics and was a scientific genius in that area, but who has no education or experience or much knowledge in the fields of climate science. His 'objections' are puerile nonsense that have been thoroughly debunked by the actual climate scientists.

Dyson has articulated his “heretical” views on climate in an extensive article of his own [4] – which has been debunked on a point-by-point basis [5] by competent scientists who actually know something about climate science.
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Its a funny chart. With some arbitrary middle temperature of 0 degrees With the distant past in the negative and our time positive. I suppose we are to believe that that 0 degree point is some optimal temperature point to not deviate from. Is that the point? Its silly.
Actually, the graphic I pointed to shows a temperature anomaly, with that temperature anomaly being relative to the average temperature between the period 1961 thru 1990. And that chart could just as well have displayed average global temperatures instead of the temperature anomaly, which would have showed a similar temperature trend line.

And, the primary purpose of that chart was not about demonstrating "some optimal temperature point to not deviate from." The primary purpose of that chart was to demonstrate how stable the average global temperature had been prior to recent years when looking back in time to about the peak of the last glacial period, 22k+ years ago.

So, once again, while there has been an increase in average global temperature since 20,000 years ago, the rate of change of average global temperature during the past century has far exceeded the rate of change of average global temperature during the period 20,000 years ago until a century ago.

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We're not only the second-largest producer of CO2 and other heat-retentive gases now, we were #1 for decades upon decades. What we do to curb our output of heat-retentive gases has a disproportionate effect compared to similar efforts by other countries.

This man heading the EPA has been a vociferous critic of the EPA, and a big recipient of fossil fuel campaign dollars.

The analogy is perfect.


It's ideology AND money. Republicans SAY they are against efforts to reduce the emissions of carbon associated with global climate change because they view it as an example of governmental regulatory overreach. Financially, the GOP hesitates to act because it receives the vast majority of the campaign contributions from oil, gas, coal and other energy industries. (In the past three elections, the oil and gas industry has directed nearly 90% of its campaign contributions to Republicans, and the coal industry channeled at least 96% of its contributions toward them in 2014 and 2016.)

So, easy answer: It's political manipulation. Their motives are so blatant. Once again the GOP puts party before country--party before WORLD. Their small-minded view will be the ruin of this country. AND so many of their decisions are based on shortsightedness.
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The fox is guarding the henhouse....

Welcome to the Twilight Zone, courtesy of Trump and his science-be-damned Wonderful World of Alternative Facts.


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EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt suggests climate change could benefit humans

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt suggested Tuesday that climate change could benefit humans, despite scientific evidence to the contrary.

In an interview with KSNV in Las Vegas, Pruitt conceded that climate change is a reality and humans have contributed to it "to a certain degree." However, the EPA administrator cast doubt on its negative long-term implications.

"Is it an existential threat? Is it something that is unsustainable, or what kind of effect or harm is this going to have? I mean, we know that humans have most flourished during times of what? Warming trends," Pruitt said. "I think there's assumptions made that because the climate is warming, that that necessarily is a bad thing. Do we really know what the ideal surface temperature should be in the year 2100? In the year 2018? I mean it's fairly arrogant for us to think that we know exactly what it should be in 2100."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/polit...nge/index.html

In other words, if you're playing Russian roulette with a revolver, there's only a one in six chance you'll blow your brains out. Chill people....

Morons "leading" morons.
Scott Pruitt is a genius but not a super genius like Ai Gore.
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Scott Pruitt is a genius but not a super genius like Ai Gore.
Well there is some irrelevant and very meaningless twaddle. Can't you do any better?

And BTW, Scott Pruitt is the exact opposite of a "genius".

Vice President Gore is smart enough to read the writing on the wall, but he is not a "genius"......however many of the PhD climate scientists he gets his information from are indeed genius level minds.
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