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Old February 10th, 2018, 08:23 AM   #11
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Now you have exaggerated my opinion concerning American Citizens. Of course, that is an old and tired stupid debating trick use by those who cannot defend their opinions.

I noticed you never answered my question. Are you "proud" of making American Citizens tax slaves to support the economic needs of millions of aliens who have invaded American's borders?


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If you think I exaggerated your opinion, obviously I misunderstood it. Please, explain what you think was an exaggeration?

Yes, I am proud to live in the richest nation that did not have a huge homeless problem until lately, and had a much more affordable medical system, until so many people got medical insurance. I am proud that in general, we are caring people and willing to help others. My state voted for a tax to maintain medical care for the poor. I am very proud and thankful that people in my state are such good people. Who would not be proud of this? But I am ashamed that the US is not doing as good as Germany and the Netherland countries. A democracy is for the good of all, not just a few. We live by reason, not like animals fighting over bones. There can be no better purpose in life than advancing the well being of all.

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If you think I exaggerated your opinion, obviously I misunderstood it. Please, explain what you think was an exaggeration?

Yes, I am proud to live in the richest nation that did not have a huge homeless problem until lately, and had a much more affordable medical system, until so many people got medical insurance. I am proud that in general, we are caring people and willing to help others. My state voted for a tax to maintain medical care for the poor. I am very proud and thankful that people in my state are such good people. Who would not be proud of this? But I am ashamed that the US is not doing as good as Germany and the Netherland countries. A democracy is for the good of all, not just a few. We live by reason, not like animals fighting over bones. There can be no better purpose in life than advancing the well being of all.
Continuing your exaggeration is not an answer.
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Old February 10th, 2018, 10:13 AM   #13
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Continuing your exaggeration is not an answer.
What am I exaggerating? I feel offended by your attacks that do not explain what you are talking about. Please explain yourself? You could at least copy and paste a sentence you have identified as an exaggeration and say what it is exaggerating.

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Old February 10th, 2018, 10:42 AM   #14
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If you think I exaggerated your opinion, obviously I misunderstood it. Please, explain what you think was an exaggeration?

Yes, I am proud to live in the richest nation that did not have a huge homeless problem until lately, and had a much more affordable medical system, until so many people got medical insurance. I am proud that in general, we are caring people and willing to help others. My state voted for a tax to maintain medical care for the poor. I am very proud and thankful that people in my state are such good people. Who would not be proud of this? But I am ashamed that the US is not doing as good as Germany and the Netherland countries. A democracy is for the good of all, not just a few. We live by reason, not like animals fighting over bones. There can be no better purpose in life than advancing the well being of all.

You do not advance the good of all by using government force to confiscate the property of one individual and transfer it to another for their personal use and enjoyment. To engage in such activity is outright theft and robbery!

And with regard to your beloved "democracy", our founders feared the faults of a democracy, and instead, they agreed upon creating a constitutionally limited “Republican Form of Government” guaranteed under Article 4, Section 4, of our Constitution.

And just what did our founders think of “democracy”? Madison, in Federalist No. 10 says in reference to “democracy” they


…have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.


And during the Convention which framed our federal Constitution, Elbridge Gerry and Roger Sherman, delegates from Massachusetts and Connecticut, urged the Convention to create a system which would eliminate "the evils we experience," saying that those "evils . . .flow from the excess of democracy..."

And, then there was John Adams, a principle force in the American Revolutionary period who also pointed out "democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; and when by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel..."


And Samuel Adams, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and favoring the new Constitution as opposed to democracy declared: "Democracy never lasts long” . . . "It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.". . . "There was never a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’"


And during the Constitutional Convention, Hamilton boldly stated: "We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy."

And then there was Benjamin Franklin, who informed a crowd when exiting the Convention as to what system of government they created, he responded by saying "A republic, if you can keep it."

Finally, with regard to your exaggeration, you did charge that I “. . . have really overstepped by claiming [my] opinion is the united American opinion!” Nothing I wrote even suggests my opinion is “the united American opinion.”

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"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [foreigners who have invaded America's borders and ignored its laws], to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes, is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875).
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If you think I exaggerated your opinion, obviously I misunderstood it. Please, explain what you think was an exaggeration?

Yes, I am proud to live in the richest nation that did not have a huge homeless problem until lately, and had a much more affordable medical system, until so many people got medical insurance. I am proud that in general, we are caring people and willing to help others. My state voted for a tax to maintain medical care for the poor. I am very proud and thankful that people in my state are such good people. Who would not be proud of this? But I am ashamed that the US is not doing as good as Germany and the Netherland countries. A democracy is for the good of all, not just a few. We live by reason, not like animals fighting over bones. There can be no better purpose in life than advancing the well being of all.


Continuing your exaggeration is not an answer.

When all else fails, that is what they do ___ exaggerate, obfuscate and misdirect.


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American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

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Old February 13th, 2018, 06:01 AM   #16
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Romans 13:1-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
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13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
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Continuing your exaggeration is not an answer.


Just because you don't like it does NOT mean it's not an answer. YOUR definition of an answer is based on what you like and what you don't like.
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What am I exaggerating? I feel offended by your attacks that do not explain what you are talking about. Please explain yourself? You could at least copy and paste a sentence you have identified as an exaggeration and say what it is exaggerating.
Your describing an America that does not exist. We've always had the poor and homeless. No need to copy and paste the obvious. Over exaggeration is a common practice when arguing some bleeding-heart Liberal position. A bleeding-heart position that is transparently designed to further empower the Liberal Progressive movement with a wider voting base.
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Old February 13th, 2018, 10:40 AM   #19
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Just because you don't like it does NOT mean it's not an answer. YOUR definition of an answer is based on what you like and what you don't like.
No, my answers are absent flowery exaggerations. I don't need to hear, over and over again, about how generous, or not, we are. When I start hearing or seeing words preceded with flowery exaggeration my scam radar immediately goes into affect. The same scam-radar that tells me the arguments concerning DACA are designed to cover up the fact that the issue is nothing more than another flowery attempt to push amnesty down our throats with the aid of Liberal Kool-Aid.
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You have a good heart but I am not going to pay for your good heart. Spend all of your money on them which is your right. My right is not spend one thin dime on them. Let those people fix their country rather than coming here and messing up mine.
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