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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:21 AM   #11
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The moral is, an armed teacher is not going to stop a teenager armed with assault weapons. Perhaps those who are saying assault weapons should not be available to teenagers have a point? When are we going to pay attention to the science that tells us teenage males are more prone to making bad choices than young children or more mature people?

Perhaps we should pay more attention to the rest of the world?

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6. Assault weapons should be banned. After 35 people were murdered by a single man in Australia in the mid-1990s, the government banned shotguns and assault weapons, enacted stricter licensing rules and launched a number of gun buyback programs. Within roughly a decade, gun-related murders were down nearly 60 percent.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:24 AM   #12
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In this case I find myself in an odd position. I AGREE with the Dumpster !!!!!

The officer's JOB was to protect that school and those children. His entire purpose for being on that campus was to stop, or at least try to stop or minimize a shooter.

Scott Beigel, an unarmed teacher, faced off with the shooter and died protecting his kids. This officer is a coward and a piece of shit. I hate that he gets to "retire" and keep his fucking pension.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:39 AM   #13
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In this case I find myself in an odd position. I AGREE with the Dumpster !!!!!

The officer's JOB was to protect that school and those children. His entire purpose for being on that campus was to stop, or at least try to stop or minimize a shooter.

Scott Beigel, an unarmed teacher, faced off with the shooter and died protecting his kids. This officer is a coward and a piece of shit. I hate that he gets to "retire" and keep his fucking pension.
your exactly right about that. Its like the fire department showing up to a burning apartment and saying, when the fire is out we will help people get out.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:45 AM   #14
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I'd be surprised if DJ has one act of courage in his life's story.
Well, let's see, there was the one time he ate some Beluga that was well past its best use by date. (Just kidding.)

Yah, it's a tough call on the deputy. If he was a trained & a sworn officer - I assume, because he was armed - then he'd already committed back when, when he took the oath, accepted the badge & sidearm, took the training, learned to fire his sidearm. I assume he trained to some extent for quasi urban combat - in a school, for instance - with possible hostages, civilians running & panicking & screaming, in the way, in the sight picture; bodies on the ground, blood, the smell of copper & gunpowder & gunfire ringing out.

That's the problem with even a regular beat - it's years of routine & relative boredom, & then one or two minutes of utter deadly chaos. Did he make the right choice?

Listen, it's not a job I hanker for. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up drinking himself to death. It's hard to wager your life & skills against some unknown shooter, & walk into a combat situation when a moment ago you were chugging machine coffee & wondering about lunch. Yah, his oath was to protect & defend. He has to live with his decision, & I doubt it's going to be a pleasant life.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 12:05 PM   #15
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In this case I find myself in an odd position. I AGREE with the Dumpster !!!!!

The officer's JOB was to protect that school and those children. His entire purpose for being on that campus was to stop, or at least try to stop or minimize a shooter.

Scott Beigel, an unarmed teacher, faced off with the shooter and died protecting his kids. This officer is a coward and a piece of shit. I hate that he gets to "retire" and keep his fucking pension.
The shooter was already finished and on his way out by the time that officer would have even ran into the building. Chances are he would have shot one of the other students with similar clothes on.

What would work is a school resource officer in every school with one of these.

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That you can go running into the fire with and with a high degree of probability incapacitate the threat quickly, in a short to medium range combat situation, inside of a building.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 12:20 PM   #16
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The shooter was already finished and on his way out by the time that officer would have even ran into the building. Chances are he would have shot one of the other students with similar clothes on.

What would work is a school resource officer in every school with one of these.

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That you can go running into the fire with and with a high degree of probability incapacitate the threat quickly, in a short to medium range combat situation, inside of a building.
Because that "other" student would have been carrying something that resembled an AR15 ???

That the "shooting was over" before he could have gotten into the building is a disingenuous argument. He had NO WAY of knowing the shooting was over !!! Hindsight is of course 20/20. The fact that he was already too late is irrelevant to the conversation. He's a coward, he froze, end of story.
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In this case I find myself in an odd position. I AGREE with the Dumpster !!!!!

The officer's JOB was to protect that school and those children. His entire purpose for being on that campus was to stop, or at least try to stop or minimize a shooter.

Scott Beigel, an unarmed teacher, faced off with the shooter and died protecting his kids. This officer is a coward and a piece of shit. I hate that he gets to "retire" and keep his fucking pension.
I agree.

Sure, i doubt he could have actually done anything to change the situation, but omfg DO SOMETHING!
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 01:21 PM   #18
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The guy was a school resource officer, that's how you keep someone on the payroll who is way past his prime. And training for such a person is considered a waste, he might attend an annual seminar.

Expecting such a person to act quickly and accurately is nonsense, he would only be slightly more effective than an armed teacher. His main function is to serve as a deterrent, when that fails, he calls it in and waits for backup to arrive.

If you want a rapid effective response, you need people who are trained to respond, and that training has to be frequently repeated, and guess what, that is expensive.

And we don't have the money.

There are around 125,000 schools in the US, keeping a couple of effectively trained people at each of those schools would cost around 25 billion dollars.

Anyone want to roll back 25 billion worth of tax cuts?
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The moral is, an armed teacher is not going to stop a teenager armed with assault weapons. Perhaps those who are saying assault weapons should not be available to teenagers have a point? When are we going to pay attention to the science that tells us teenage males are more prone to making bad choices than young children or more mature people?

Perhaps we should pay more attention to the rest of the world?

Athena, you have touched on an important piece when dealing with teens. While adults can use rational processes when facing emotional decisions, teenagers are simply not yet equipped to think through things in the same way.

The frontal lobes of the brain have been implicated in behavioral inhibition, the ability to control emotions and impulses. The frontal lobes are also thought to be the place where decisions about right and wrong, as well as cause-effect relationships are processed. A teenager's frontal lobe is not fully mature.

Now, having said that, there are ADULTS who SEEM to exhibit the same issue.
It is becoming clear that the adolescent brain (and that of some adults) is a work in progress, which explains their erratic behavior and penchant for the unpredictable and bizarre--sometimes violent actions.
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And this diatribe is related to the issue of an officer not reacting is...what? All I'm reading is sever TDS.
What you’re reading is 1/10th of what we’d be hearing if a Democrat had made this statement
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