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Old February 25th, 2018, 11:52 AM   #11
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The first thing ...everyone...should be doing, not just talking about is making sure our schools are safer. Where are the experts on this? How were were airplanes, airports so quickly better secured, after 9/11? All the "gun" debate, mental health etc can go on...but should not replace the immediate attention and decisions made to ...secure...our...children...in ...their schools.
There are two ways to have law and order. One is police force and the other is by transmitting a culture that makes liberty possible. For about 200 years the US chose to promote law and order by transmitting a culture through the public education system. That ended with the 1958 National Defense Education Act, leaving us only police force to keep us safe. Obviously, the problem with that is police react to crime, they can not prevent crime, except by taking our liberty away.
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Old February 25th, 2018, 11:54 AM   #12
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Old February 25th, 2018, 11:56 AM   #13
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The first thing ...everyone...should be doing, not just talking about, is making sure our schools are safer.
That's hard to disagree with.....but the debate is actually over just how to do that. Reducing the number of available guns floating around by making rapid fire assault weapons illegal and instituting much better gun control regulations that keep legal guns out of the hands of the insane and disturbed wackos is one idea that would certainly help. We know that because it has worked in many other countries. Arming the teachers and relaxing gun controls in the name of the 'sacred 2nd Amendment' is the insane fantasy that the NRA and the gun manufacturers are pushing, that would only make matters worse. But all those evil fuckheads care about is increasing their profits.





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Right where they have always been....studying the matter, doing research, writing scientific papers, publishing articles all over the place.....and totally ignored by the NRA controlled and bribed gunnuts in Congress.




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How were were airplanes, airports so quickly better secured, after 9/11?
By totally eliminating the previously lax policy of allowing airline passengers to carry weapons.

Federal law now only allows passengers to transport guns unloaded, in a locked, hardcover case that is in checked, not carry-on, baggage. The mechanisms for enforcing this after 9/11 are, in fact, proving pretty effective at keeping guns and other weapons off airplanes.

The TSA Found a Record Number of Guns at U.S. Airports For the Ninth Year in a Row
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By FELIZ SOLOMON
January 13, 2017
A record 3,391 firearms were discovered in carry-on luggage at U.S. airports in 2016, 83% of which were loaded, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) said in a blog post Thursday. Nationwide, improperly transported firearms were discovered at a rate of about nine per day. Last year’s tally marks the ninth consecutive record-breaking year; the amount of firearms discovered and seized at airport checkpoints has climbed steadily since 2007. The year 2016 also saw a 28% increase in firearm discoveries over the year prior, according to the TSA. TSA said there were also many instances of passengers trying to hide prohibited cargo, some of which were “disguised to look like other items.” These included swords hidden in canes, and knives embedded in various items such as belt buckles, shoes, luggage lining, a thermos and even lipstick.
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And another insane rightwingnut gun wacko spews more bullshit..................still asleep! Or severely retarded!
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Guess Who Thinks Arming Teachers Is A Really, Really Bad Idea?
Military Combat Veterans.

“How to stand your ground when an aggressor is trying to kill you — that’s not something that comes naturally to people.”

Some of the loudest voices opposing President Donald Trump’s proposal to arm “highly trained” teachers to protect students belong to the group that knows best what it’s like to confront someone with a gun: military combat veterans.

In the week since 17 people were killed by a shooter at a Florida high school, combat veterans already had become increasingly vocal in opposition to the availability of assault weapons to civilians, writing op-eds, viral blog posts, and Twitter threads.

But the proposal to train and arm teachers, which was first floated by conservative commentators on Fox News and pushed on Thursday by the president and officials of the National Rifle Association, put many of them over the edge.

“There is a gulf between being taught how to handle a weapon, and learning to fight. Those are two distinct things,” Brandon Friedman, a former Army captain who was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and later served in the Obama administration, told BuzzFeed News. “And learning how to fight, how to stand your ground when an aggressor is trying to kill you, that’s not something that comes naturally to people.”

Learning how to fight takes training — military training.

“So in order to teach, now you have to be a soldier? That’s insane,” he said.

Many veterans are chafing at hearing such proposals from people like NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre who have never served in combat, he said.

“They have this Hollywood view of what a gunfight is like,” Friedman said. “Veterans know first hand (that) until you’ve been shot at, and seen how people react in these situations, you can’t wrap your mind around it.”

Underscoring that point was the news that a trained and armed Broward County sheriff's deputy stood by outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School made no effort to confront the gunman as most of the killing unfolded.

While arming teachers may sound like a good idea, “it increases the chance of kids dying in crossfire, adds to confusion with SWAT teams trying to identify an armed assailant, and greatly increases odds of an accidental shooting” tweeted VoteVets, a progressive veterans group.

When Anastasia Bernoulli, a US Army veteran, shared a hastily-written blog post – provocatively titled “Fuck you, I like guns” – from the perspective of someone who was trained to use assault rifles, her posts had never been read by more than 10 people, she told BuzzFeed News.

It went viral, shared thousands of times and receiving more than 4,000 comments, some from “veterans as far back as Vietnam writing in support of my views,” she said.

Bernoulli says that as the most trained population when it comes to weapons, military veterans have a responsibility to speak out when something like arming teachers is proposed.

“The bottom line is that it's a tactical disaster,” she told BuzzFeed News, pointing out that it has nothing to do with a teacher's ability — her mother is a teacher.

“Learning to engage an enemy combatant is not the same as being able to hit a paper target at the end of a range," she said. "Vets know these weapons. We don't mess up on their specs. We can call BS when the gun lobby says that they're no more dangerous than someone's deer rifle. We are the people who need to be doing that.”

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your right it is not something that comes natural.. What comes natural is Flee or Fight or Freeze.

This is why Trump (Being the person tht thinks things out) says EXTENSIVE TRAINING.. for teachers that carry..

Unlike Obama who did nothing after Sandy Hook and VA Tech, or Clinton that did nothing after Columbine and VA Tech (first shooting), Trump is moving to get things done.
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First off this premise is just as silly as saying we shouldn't train our teachers in CPR because some people crack under pressure. I dont understand why anyone would not welcome a new skill, that is just silly IMO.

Second i believe that fire arms training should be provided in the schools, to the students, probably in the jr high age. Everyone should be familiar w/ a gun, how it operates and how to handle one. You never know when it may come in handy for a number of reasons. Plus, maybe the gangbangers would become more accurate which would result in far less innocent bystanders. At least they would stop holding hand guns sidways and jamming them in the front of their shorts. Poor plaxico.
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First off this premise is just as silly as saying we shouldn't train our teachers in CPR because some people crack under pressure. I dont understand why anyone would not welcome a new skill, that is just silly IMO.

Second i believe that fire arms training should be provided in the schools, to the students, probably in the jr high age. Everyone should be familiar w/ a gun, how it operates and how to handle one. You never know when it may come in handy for a number of reasons. Plus, maybe the gangbangers would become more accurate which would result in far less innocent bystanders. At least they would stop holding hand guns sidways and jamming them in the front of their shorts. Poor plaxico.
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your right it is not something that comes natural.. What comes natural is Flee or Fight or Freeze.

This is why Trump (Being the person tht thinks things out) says EXTENSIVE TRAINING.. for teachers that carry..

Unlike Obama who did nothing after Sandy Hook and VA Tech, or Clinton that did nothing after Columbine and VA Tech (first shooting), Trump is moving to get things done.
Give me your, or Trump's, definition of EXTENSIVE TRAINING, in the case of armed teachers.
As extensive as a big city cop, a state policeman, a Marine infantryman, the security guard at the Dollar General store,what?
Who will do it, what it will entail. the time required and the cost.

Until that happens it's just some politician talking shit.
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