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Old February 28th, 2018, 06:31 PM   #71
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Ummmmmmmm, Jim, i really hate doing your reading for you here, buuuuuuut --------> the thread title is What Do ALL the Mass Shooters Have in Common? No Father in the Home.

I have had to reiterate this a couple times in this thread already when others seem to want to move the goal posts a bit.....
Yeah we have been wandering around a tad......I think the Thread's title should have been "What do all the school shooters have in common"....Otherwise, You get into the Las Vegas shooter....did he have a father at home?? or Army Major Hassan....
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Yeah we have been wandering around a tad......I think the Thread's title should have been "What do all the school shooters have in common"....Otherwise, You get into the Las Vegas shooter....did he have a father at home?? or Army Major Hassan....
The article was written a few years ago but was reposted


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Update: The Las Vegas shooter also grew up without a father at home because his father was in jail or running from the law for most of his life. More on the Stephen Paddock’s background here.

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Old February 28th, 2018, 07:46 PM   #73
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Hey, you know what they really all have in common? Semi Automatic weapons.
Take away those, a lot of people would still be here.
The longer you leave them out there, and they will be banned eventually, the more senseless deaths will happen...
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Want to Discourage Mass Shootings? Encourage Fathers to Stay With Their Sons
No one wants to talk about the importance of fathers in boys' lives, because society is too concerned with not stigmatizing single mothers.

By Rachel Alexander Published on March 3, 2018 • 9 Comments
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New gun laws would not have stopped the Parkdale school shooter. The laws already in place should have stopped him. They failed. The people responsible to protect the public from people like the killer dropped the ball. In any case, mentally deranged killers don’t care about laws.

We would be better off looking at preventing the factors that led to the shooting. One thing Nikolas Cruz had in common with other school shooters is the lack of a father figure in his life. His father died when he was young.

Seven of the 19 shootings since 2005 were committed by young males. Peter Hasson at The Federalist observed that only one of the seven “was raised by his biological father throughout childhood.”
Homes Without Fathers

Others have seen the same thing. Stephen Baskerville, a professor at Patrick Henry College, says “by far the main predictor of shooting rampages — along with all other criminality and virtually every social pathology among young males — is a home without a father.”

Barbara Hollingsworth, writing for CNS News, observes, “Growing up without a father has a far greater statistical correlation to gun violence than most sociological factors, including poverty and gun ownership, a statistical analysis of gun homicides in the U.S. shows.”
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So, what do you suggest ? Forcing a couple to stay married ? Sorry, it’s assault rifles and large capacity magazines. Ban them.
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Old March 5th, 2018, 05:20 AM   #76
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Want to Discourage Mass Shootings? Encourage Fathers to Stay With Their Sons
No one wants to talk about the importance of fathers in boys' lives, because society is too concerned with not stigmatizing single mothers.

By Rachel Alexander Published on March 3, 2018 • 9 Comments
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New gun laws would not have stopped the Parkdale school shooter. The laws already in place should have stopped him. They failed. The people responsible to protect the public from people like the killer dropped the ball. In any case, mentally deranged killers don’t care about laws.

We would be better off looking at preventing the factors that led to the shooting. One thing Nikolas Cruz had in common with other school shooters is the lack of a father figure in his life. His father died when he was young.

Seven of the 19 shootings since 2005 were committed by young males. Peter Hasson at The Federalist observed that only one of the seven “was raised by his biological father throughout childhood.”
Homes Without Fathers

Others have seen the same thing. Stephen Baskerville, a professor at Patrick Henry College, says “by far the main predictor of shooting rampages — along with all other criminality and virtually every social pathology among young males — is a home without a father.”

Barbara Hollingsworth, writing for CNS News, observes, “Growing up without a father has a far greater statistical correlation to gun violence than most sociological factors, including poverty and gun ownership, a statistical analysis of gun homicides in the U.S. shows.”
Seven of the Nineteen shootings? Not even half, about 37%.
Death is always going to be with us, the divorce rate is approx. 50%.
Why would anyone think it unusual that almost half of these shooters were fatherless?
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If this is about fathers not being in the lives of their sons, then why the unnecessary line about single mothers? Men not taking responsibility for their children is not the fault of the mother raising those kids.
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Want to Discourage Mass Shootings? Encourage Fathers to Stay With Their Sons
No one wants to talk about the importance of fathers in boys' lives, because society is too concerned with not stigmatizing single mothers.

By Rachel Alexander Published on March 3, 2018 • 9 Comments
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New gun laws would not have stopped the Parkdale school shooter. The laws already in place should have stopped him. They failed. The people responsible to protect the public from people like the killer dropped the ball. In any case, mentally deranged killers don’t care about laws.

We would be better off looking at preventing the factors that led to the shooting. One thing Nikolas Cruz had in common with other school shooters is the lack of a father figure in his life. His father died when he was young.

Seven of the 19 shootings since 2005 were committed by young males. Peter Hasson at The Federalist observed that only one of the seven “was raised by his biological father throughout childhood.”
Homes Without Fathers

Others have seen the same thing. Stephen Baskerville, a professor at Patrick Henry College, says “by far the main predictor of shooting rampages — along with all other criminality and virtually every social pathology among young males — is a home without a father.”

Barbara Hollingsworth, writing for CNS News, observes, “Growing up without a father has a far greater statistical correlation to gun violence than most sociological factors, including poverty and gun ownership, a statistical analysis of gun homicides in the U.S. shows.”
I sure as blazes want to talk about the importance of fathers and why aren't you in the thread about women's liberation? The traditional values are important, and the woman who stays home to care for the family is important to fathers being in the home. However, we also need men to be better husbands and fathers. The occasional youth who kills people is only one of the problems of destroying the family. The US is far behind the more advanced civilizations of Europe and we are really spinning out of control.

We need to look at our industrial society and how it took fathers out of the home and then took mothers our of the home, and the bankers are really profiting from this materialist, anti-human society we have allowed to swallow us.

The first mass school shooting was Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon. A young man killed his parents and took weapons to the school and shot and killed as many students and teachers as he could. Both his parents were teachers and they shared a home.

I just read quite a bit trying to find out of the parents of the Columbine shooters were involved with their children and that still is not clear. However, I thought this is important information.

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Cullen: Dylan is pretty much a classic case study. He had clinical depression, from which the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force estimates 6 percent of U.S. adolescents suffer. That’s two million kids, most undiagnosed. On top of that, he was suicidal. A study by the Secret Service showed that 61 percent of school shooters were “extremely depressed or desperate,” and 78 percent had a history of suicide attempts or thoughts. Depression is the biggest factor for these shooters – murder as a method to end their own lives. Teen depression and suicide are the real story behind the blight of school shootings in this country. And they were by far the biggest factors for Dylan. I get asked all the time about “lessons” of this tragedy. The great unlearned lesson of Columbine is dealing with teen depression.
We have destroyed the traditional family life we had. We are expecting very young children to perform like college students, and everyone is feeling the intense pressure of failing life, if a child does not go on to college and then have a high paying career job. Homeless is a real possibility for those who do not do well in school and socially. There are not enough simple jobs and even low income housing is too costly. The pressure is on, that pressure can be very destructive.

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Old March 5th, 2018, 05:47 AM   #79
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Want to Discourage Mass Shootings? Encourage Fathers to Stay With Their Sons
No one wants to talk about the importance of fathers in boys' lives, because society is too concerned with not stigmatizing single mothers.

By Rachel Alexander Published on March 3, 2018 • 9 Comments
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New gun laws would not have stopped the Parkdale school shooter. The laws already in place should have stopped him. They failed. The people responsible to protect the public from people like the killer dropped the ball. In any case, mentally deranged killers don’t care about laws.

We would be better off looking at preventing the factors that led to the shooting. One thing Nikolas Cruz had in common with other school shooters is the lack of a father figure in his life. His father died when he was young.

Seven of the 19 shootings since 2005 were committed by young males. Peter Hasson at The Federalist observed that only one of the seven “was raised by his biological father throughout childhood.”
Homes Without Fathers

Others have seen the same thing. Stephen Baskerville, a professor at Patrick Henry College, says “by far the main predictor of shooting rampages — along with all other criminality and virtually every social pathology among young males — is a home without a father.”

Barbara Hollingsworth, writing for CNS News, observes, “Growing up without a father has a far greater statistical correlation to gun violence than most sociological factors, including poverty and gun ownership, a statistical analysis of gun homicides in the U.S. shows.”
I had to point this out in another thread.

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So, what do you suggest ? Forcing a couple to stay married ? Sorry, it’s assault rifles and large capacity magazines. Ban them.


This argument (from the RW) is just as laughable as the rap music, video games, unarmed teachers, elites, political correctness, television, no prayer in school, and .....Democrats.

Why not focus on too much sugar? Junk food? Lack of Vitamin C?? Maybe that will be their next strategy?
Don't bother looking at gun violence in other countries. HOW do they manage it? We aren't interested in what has been PROVEN--statistics--facts. The only solution is MORE GUNS.
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