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Old March 10th, 2018, 03:50 PM   #41
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Yes they are granted by the Constituiton. the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS <<<RIGHT GRANTED.... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED <<<<THE ONLY RIGHT THAT IS STATED TO BE WITHOUT INFRINGMENT


Also a Right is granted to the state.. the State can draft me into the State Militia.


The 2nd amendent is the only Amendment that GRANTS a right.. in fact it Grants 2

Right to the State to defend it's residents.

the Right of the People to have access to the power to defend themselves.

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Right to the State to defend it's residents.
Exactly.

In fact, they have a compelling interest to, as well as a responsibility to.

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Yes they are granted by the Constituiton.
Wrong.

They are granted by our creator.

Of which the first and most important being, life, liberty, the pursuit if happiness.

The 2nd Amendment is a right enumerated in the Constitution. As are the other enumerated rights.

They come in a distant second from the first ones granted by our creator.
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Old March 10th, 2018, 03:59 PM   #42
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exactly.

In fact, they have a compelling interest to, as well as a responsibility to.



Wrong.

They are granted by our creator.

Of which the first and most important being, life, liberty, the pursuit if happiness.

The 2nd amendment is a right enumerated in the constitution. As are the other enumerated rights.

They come in a distant second from the first ones granted by our creator.
nonsense.....
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Old March 10th, 2018, 04:05 PM   #43
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nonsense.....
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Declaration of Independence July 4 1776
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You're wrong Jim. Learn something here. Read about the debates concerning a bill of rights.

Our nation was organized around the principle that all rights are the unalienable property of US citizens, and that any power held by the federal government was given to it by the people.

The Bill of Rights makes clear what the federal government can not do in executing its duties specified by the Constitution. And the BOR isn't a comprehensive listing of the people's unalienable rights.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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I lived in Florida for a while out in the sticks. People would hang a sloppy painted sign, Guns For Sale in front of their shack. This is legal in Florida as odd as that sounds. Everyone should have to endure a FBI background check to buy a lethal weapon just as Ohioans have to do.
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You're wrong Jim. Learn something here. Read about the debates concerning a bill of rights.

Our nation was organized around the principle that all rights are the unalienable property of US citizens, and that any power held by the federal government was given to it by the people.

The Bill of Rights makes clear what the federal government can not do in executing its duties specified by the Constitution. And the BOR isn't a comprehensive listing of the people's unalienable rights.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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I have read the debates in the State assembles regarding the ratification of the Constitution.... I don't have time to go over it tonight......But I recall this argument used before....and it doesn't hold water... Remember that separation of Church and state thing??....You are trying to tell me that religion is being used to frame the Constitution....
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Declaration of Independence July 4 1776
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That is the Declaration of Independence....The Constitution is the Law...not the Declaration..
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Watching the left fight for states rights is awesome
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Watching the left fight for states rights is awesome
Yes they can twist and turn these founding documents to suit what ever they wish....I like the part about using the Creator....can you imagine if Mike Pence would have invoked the creator....they would be having shit-fits....
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