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Old March 10th, 2018, 10:33 PM   #1
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Culture Shock at the Royal Military College of Canada

http://http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/battle-over-jeans-at-the-royal-military-college-results-in-1000-cadets-losing-privileges

Read the article above before going on or posting below.

Note that the article is very biased, as the media always is, against RMC.

As Iíve said many tines before, I am an officer cadet in my third year at RMC. I love the place and the people with every finer of my being. Like many others in the school, I view the college, along with the whole military, as a second family, and the struggles we go through as building blocks in our careers.

At first I was upset about being severely punished for supposedly such a small thing, especially considering how concerned I was over the mental health of many cadets (during my first year I lost two of my close friends at RMC to suicide. The first, his name is Harry and he was like a big brother to me - the literal personification of perfection as an officer - it was his birthday yesterday). But once I calmed myself down and listened to the other side during the roughly 5 hours of meetings cadet command staff had the day the loss of privileges came into effect, I realized I was wrong.

There so many amazing things about RMC: its family mentality, its patriotism, its beauty, its history, its amazing people and its own unique swag. Still though, there is the issue that after FYOP (First Year Orientation Period) - the first month of physical agony and mental torture at RMC - many cadets fail to find a balance in between the two extremes of too military and too civilian. They drop down to the point of thinking the rules donít apply to them, or that they donít have to step up and help others who are wronging themselves or others. This cannot be tolerated and must be systemically eradicated from our culture.

After all our briefings with our superiors, the cadet barmen (seniors with command positions) went off to inform their distraught subordinates. I am in charge of several first year cadets. I had been demanding, but playful and jovial all year long. It must have been strange for them to have seen me suddenly so serious at our nightly 10 min briefing at 22h00. I let them all spill out their frustration about the punishment, but then I said ďwho here has worn jeans or seen someone wear them but not report it?Ē. We all raised our hands. And so I said ďThey who is free of sin may cast the first stone, but weíve all sinned. You guys are the next generation here at RMC. When weíre all gone, itíll be up to you to change this place for the better. Officers who canít follow simple orders shouldnít give them. If you donít like the order, pass a recommendation up the chain, and look to each other for support to get through it. Then execejte that order with 110% effort. Truth, Duty, Valour: thatís a motto you have to live by every waking second of your life.Ē
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Old March 11th, 2018, 04:01 AM   #2
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What is the expenditure of the military in Canada?

I would think Canada would not have to pay much and would have a small active military and a healthy amount of reservists in case of emergency and war. It's not that if Russia invades Canada, that the USA would not immediately jump in and defend Canada. So basically Canada can be basically taken care of militarily by the USA.

Does Canada have Marines? Are they like American Marines. I saw a show about the British Marines and holy shit, they were tough bastard's whose training is probably even more daunting that in the USA.

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That is such bullshit.

One, get a grip, jeans are a part of current culture, period. Two, the whole group punishment thing is against the rules there, so what is that teaching everyone? Three, making people parade around in cold weather without hats or gloves as punishment ---> are you fucking kidding me?

I just dont understand that at all.
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What is the expenditure of the military in Canada?

I would think Canada would not have to pay much and would have a small active military and a healthy amount of reservists in case of emergency and war. It's not that if Russia invades Canada, that the USA would not immediately jump in and defend Canada. So basically Canada can be basically taken care of militarily by the USA.

Does Canada have Marines? Are they like American Marines. I saw a show about the British Marines and holy shit, they were tough bastard's whose training is probably even more daunting that in the USA.

New and probably last season of Trailer Park Boys is coming at the end of March. Can't wait.
Currently, 1.6% of our GDP goes to the CAF.

Relying entirely on other countries is not smart if they branch away from your foreign policy goals. For example, America and Canada currently disagree about the role of peacekeeping operations in the future of warfare. Also, Canada has built a reputation for having one of the best trained and most effective militaries on the planet. We have a long, proud military history and we wonít be giving that up any time soon. Lastly, Canada is a middle power with potential to one day become a great power, and so giving up our military strength would only weaken our position among the top nations in the world.

We donít have Marines, but our infantry (which Iíll be a part of when I graduate) is considered among the best on the planet. Also, we have CSOR and JTF2, two of the paramount special operations units in the world.
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That is such bullshit.

One, get a grip, jeans are a part of current culture, period. Two, the whole group punishment thing is against the rules there, so what is that teaching everyone? Three, making people parade around in cold weather without hats or gloves as punishment ---> are you fucking kidding me?

I just dont understand that at all.
Whether or not the order makes sense, we still have to follow it. You canít pick and choose what rules to follow.

The school never does group punishment outside of FYOP (First Year Orientation Period) so itís not like this sort of thing is rampant. It was an extreme measure needed to shake up the whole system towards a better future.

This is where that media bias I told you about comes in. That morning sucked, Iím not gonna lie, but it was actually not a punishment, but simply a mistake by the command. They did not check the weather forecast and wanted everyone to wear the same standard, so that disaster happened, and some idiot leaked it to the press.
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Whether or not the order makes sense, we still have to follow it. You canít pick and choose what rules to follow.

The school never does group punishment outside of FYOP (First Year Orientation Period) so itís not like this sort of thing is rampant. It was an extreme measure needed to shake up the whole system towards a better future.

This is where that media bias I told you about comes in. That morning sucked, Iím not gonna lie, but it was actually not a punishment, but simply a mistake by the command. They did not check the weather forecast and wanted everyone to wear the same standard, so that disaster happened, and some idiot leaked it to the press.
You actually can pick and choose, tho, and people of strong moral character do so.

Anyway, there is also a rule in this country about not following unlawful orders, so that whole unnecessary and against the rules punishment should have not been conducted anyway. Also, the person who neglected to check the forecast, in Canada, in the winter should be the one punished. That could have led to actual injuries or illness that would have hurt training and the school.

Jeans are not a threat. Pneumonia is.
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You actually can pick and choose, tho, and people of strong moral character do so.

Anyway, there is also a rule in this country about not following unlawful orders, so that whole unnecessary and against the rules punishment should have not been conducted anyway. Also, the person who neglected to check the forecast, in Canada, in the winter should be the one punished. That could have led to actual injuries or illness that would have hurt training and the school.

Jeans are not a threat. Pneumonia is.
Not in the military. Now, if the order is unlawful, then you are actually duty bound to disobey it. I donít think wearing smart casual is an unlawful order.

I really donít like how youíre implying we in the military donít have strong moral characters. Not cool.

Oh donít worry he was. Got a serious reprimand. And the weather had actually been spring like for two weeks before that week. Ontario has weird weather sometimes hahahaha
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Not in the military. Now, if the order is unlawful, then you are actually duty bound to disobey it. I donít think wearing smart casual is an unlawful order.

I really donít like how youíre implying we in the military donít have strong moral characters. Not cool.

Oh donít worry he was. Got a serious reprimand. And the weather had actually been spring like for two weeks before that week. Ontario has weird weather sometimes hahahaha
Sorry, i didnt mean to imply that the military doesnt have people with strong moral character. I was talking just in general.

But yeah, i get it, weather can be insane anywhere lol
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http://http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/battle-over-jeans-at-the-royal-military-college-results-in-1000-cadets-losing-privileges

Read the article above before going on or posting below.

Note that the article is very biased, as the media always is, against RMC.

As Iíve said many tines before, I am an officer cadet in my third year at RMC. I love the place and the people with every finer of my being. Like many others in the school, I view the college, along with the whole military, as a second family, and the struggles we go through as building blocks in our careers.

At first I was upset about being severely punished for supposedly such a small thing, especially considering how concerned I was over the mental health of many cadets (during my first year I lost two of my close friends at RMC to suicide. The first, his name is Harry and he was like a big brother to me - the literal personification of perfection as an officer - it was his birthday yesterday). But once I calmed myself down and listened to the other side during the roughly 5 hours of meetings cadet command staff had the day the loss of privileges came into effect, I realized I was wrong.

There so many amazing things about RMC: its family mentality, its patriotism, its beauty, its history, its amazing people and its own unique swag. Still though, there is the issue that after FYOP (First Year Orientation Period) - the first month of physical agony and mental torture at RMC - many cadets fail to find a balance in between the two extremes of too military and too civilian. They drop down to the point of thinking the rules donít apply to them, or that they donít have to step up and help others who are wronging themselves or others. This cannot be tolerated and must be systemically eradicated from our culture.

After all our briefings with our superiors, the cadet barmen (seniors with command positions) went off to inform their distraught subordinates. I am in charge of several first year cadets. I had been demanding, but playful and jovial all year long. It must have been strange for them to have seen me suddenly so serious at our nightly 10 min briefing at 22h00. I let them all spill out their frustration about the punishment, but then I said ďwho here has worn jeans or seen someone wear them but not report it?Ē. We all raised our hands. And so I said ďThey who is free of sin may cast the first stone, but weíve all sinned. You guys are the next generation here at RMC. When weíre all gone, itíll be up to you to change this place for the better. Officers who canít follow simple orders shouldnít give them. If you donít like the order, pass a recommendation up the chain, and look to each other for support to get through it. Then execejte that order with 110% effort. Truth, Duty, Valour: thatís a motto you have to live by every waking second of your life.Ē
Long time no see locke. You should have your commission by now and if we ever meet I will give you a hand salute. 0100 is a better time to wake up your cadets for corporal punishment. Spare the rod and spoil the child.
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Sorry, i didnt mean to imply that the military doesnt have people with strong moral character. I was talking just in general.

But yeah, i get it, weather can be insane anywhere lol
Itís okay! I understand itís really easy to misinterpret someoneís words, especially when you donít know each other.
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