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Old March 28th, 2018, 03:40 AM   #41
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What the fuck is it with you people and this "fed by your handlers" bullshit?
Please clarify that specific little piece of dumbfuckery.
That is their “go to” meme when they lack an intelligent response to a point made. No handler had to tell me that a company who is actively trying to replace it’s ‘private contractors” with computers is probably not in the best interests of the “private contractors. Common sense is free. That why DTT’s Ayn Randian chump doesn’t support that common sense nonsense.
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Ooooh, Carousel. One of my favorite show tunes is "If I Loved You". My grandparents took me to the movie in 1956--Shirley Jones and Gordon McRae!! I'm so jealous!
It's an INCREDIBLE cast - including Renee Fleming from the Met!
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It will be interesting to watch with an interracial cast, considering the wife battery aspect of the story. I'm curious if the audience will let Billy 'slide' with hitting Julie as easily now that he's black.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 06:50 AM   #43
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That is their “go to” meme when they lack an intelligent response to a point made. No handler had to tell me that a company who is actively trying to replace it’s ‘private contractors” with computers is probably not in the best interests of the “private contractors. Common sense is free. That why DTT’s Ayn Randian chump doesn’t support that common sense nonsense.
Nope. It is what you commonly do. You have done it here and a number of other current threads. The logic explanation for this behavior is they are not your own thoughts and that is why you cannot apply the concepts behind them to a conversation. Your lack of critical thinking skills is not an unknown leak. In fact to anyone who has been paying attention it is quite obvious.
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It's an INCREDIBLE cast - including Renee Fleming from the Met!
Carousel Broadway @ Imperial Theatre - Tickets and Discounts | Playbill
It will be interesting to watch with an interracial cast, considering the wife battery aspect of the story. I'm curious if the audience will let Billy 'slide' with hitting Julie as easily now that he's black.


OMGOSH! Renee Fleming?? Look how far we've come--a BLACK Billy Bigelow.

Who woudda thunk it?
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Old March 28th, 2018, 08:37 AM   #45
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The majority of them????

I highly doubt that.

They are independent contractors.
Seems like a lot of those "independent contractors" are in revolt against the leeches who sit back and harvest most of the money at low cost!
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You and i have talked before. You are against the free market that those business models represent.
Yes, because there is NO SUCH THING as a free market! Every market is set up with laws and rules that are enforced by the state or some governing power...which may include mobsters and warlords these days as civil authority collapses.

The myth of the 'free market' is the foundation of the libertarian movement that broke with conservatism and crafted a specific political ideology based on the virtues of individualism and selfishness, that would appeal to a crowd of younger men from mostly affluent families, whom their elders feared could be led astray by hedonistic attitudes that are not condoned or supported by standard conservative ideologies. So they created a trendy ideology to appeal to the self-centered youth that would keep them supporting what really counts: capitalism!

You see the state the world is in today! Do you think it's all someone else's fault, or is it the consequences of rewarding the selfish accumulators of capital above all others?
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You have cried and moaned before about how they are taking money out of the mouths of cab drivers. If they dont like the money that they make doing it. Stop doing it. Problem solved.
Problem solved...unless you are part of a human community that is interdependent. That would include everyone unless you live by yourself off in the woods somewhere.

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As for the whole driverless cars argument that is an entirely different story. Those goddamn things shouldn't be out experimenting on public roads IMO. Run that shit on a closed course until itnis 100% ready and those companies are 100% liable for any and all damage done by those monstrous things.
On this, we're in complete agreement; but how did Uber and Google and others now, get the right to test out these machines on public roadways where they can be a threat to others? This is the price you pay for unbridled, unrestrained capitalism, where major corporations would rather spend money on lobbying (aka buying) politicians and having them sign off on everything on their wish list, instead of doing what a real government agency is supposed to do: regulate fairly and ensure public safety.
*now that Trump has installed guys with chainsaws in the EPA and other environmental watchdog agencies, wait until everyone's drinking water is as toxic as Flint's and threatened by pipeline runoffs like in North Dakota and many other areas in Canada and the US!

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I could give a shit about uber as a company. I am opposed to the state forcing unions. IMO you unionize you get fired. End of story
This is why libertarians and conservatives have to go in full spin mode when the subject of slavery and the Civil War pops up on occasion! No union, no worker representation against the employer who's got all the cards on his side...unless unemployment drops too low. What the employer wants is free labor, and they don't care if they get it through automation or a return to slavery...which is making a comeback if you take a look at MSM-ignored stories like the increasing application of prison labor in new private-for profit prisons that are being used for incarcerated offenders and undocumented immigrants that are arrested in ICE raids. And then there's the growth of slavery in the so called 'failed states' like the Congo...which somehow finds a way to get their valuable mineral wealth to western markets to make all the new, trendy electronic shit!

Over the decades since the wildcat strikes of the turn of the century through the 30's, the sanctioned unions have turned into bureaucratic...mostly bought off organizations that take bribes from the company and government officials to sell out their members. And this is why the teachers' wildcat strikes that started in West Virginia are so important! There has been a lot of anger expressed by members at the UAW and other AFL-CIO-affiliated unions, but now that they are walking away from deals their union leaders have made, this means they'll be gone and the workers are back to the barricades and applying the only power they have against employers who are taking away their earnings and benefits- refusal to work!
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So you are opposed to driverless cars?

Or is this just another topic that you are being fed by your handlers that like so many others you do not understand. So you will just parrot whatever talking point that you think fits at the moment?
i am totally against driverless cars. 100%
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i am totally against driverless cars. 100%
If you were disabled visually or otherwise, you would probably feel differently.
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Seems like a lot of those "independent contractors" are in revolt against the leeches who sit back and harvest most of the money at low cost!

Yes, because there is NO SUCH THING as a free market! Every market is set up with laws and rules that are enforced by the state or some governing power...which may include mobsters and warlords these days as civil authority collapses.

The myth of the 'free market' is the foundation of the libertarian movement that broke with conservatism and crafted a specific political ideology based on the virtues of individualism and selfishness, that would appeal to a crowd of younger men from mostly affluent families, whom their elders feared could be led astray by hedonistic attitudes that are not condoned or supported by standard conservative ideologies. So they created a trendy ideology to appeal to the self-centered youth that would keep them supporting what really counts: capitalism!

You see the state the world is in today! Do you think it's all someone else's fault, or is it the consequences of rewarding the selfish accumulators of capital above all others?

Problem solved...unless you are part of a human community that is interdependent. That would include everyone unless you live by yourself off in the woods somewhere.


On this, we're in complete agreement; but how did Uber and Google and others now, get the right to test out these machines on public roadways where they can be a threat to others? This is the price you pay for unbridled, unrestrained capitalism, where major corporations would rather spend money on lobbying (aka buying) politicians and having them sign off on everything on their wish list, instead of doing what a real government agency is supposed to do: regulate fairly and ensure public safety.
*now that Trump has installed guys with chainsaws in the EPA and other environmental watchdog agencies, wait until everyone's drinking water is as toxic as Flint's and threatened by pipeline runoffs like in North Dakota and many other areas in Canada and the US!



This is why libertarians and conservatives have to go in full spin mode when the subject of slavery and the Civil War pops up on occasion! No union, no worker representation against the employer who's got all the cards on his side...unless unemployment drops too low. What the employer wants is free labor, and they don't care if they get it through automation or a return to slavery...which is making a comeback if you take a look at MSM-ignored stories like the increasing application of prison labor in new private-for profit prisons that are being used for incarcerated offenders and undocumented immigrants that are arrested in ICE raids. And then there's the growth of slavery in the so called 'failed states' like the Congo...which somehow finds a way to get their valuable mineral wealth to western markets to make all the new, trendy electronic shit!

Over the decades since the wildcat strikes of the turn of the century through the 30's, the sanctioned unions have turned into bureaucratic...mostly bought off organizations that take bribes from the company and government officials to sell out their members. And this is why the teachers' wildcat strikes that started in West Virginia are so important! There has been a lot of anger expressed by members at the UAW and other AFL-CIO-affiliated unions, but now that they are walking away from deals their union leaders have made, this means they'll be gone and the workers are back to the barricades and applying the only power they have against employers who are taking away their earnings and benefits- refusal to work!
Excellent and broad analysis. I am impressed.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 09:30 AM   #49
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That is their “go to” meme when they lack an intelligent response to a point made. No handler had to tell me that a company who is actively trying to replace it’s ‘private contractors” with computers is probably not in the best interests of the “private contractors. Common sense is free. That why DTT’s Ayn Randian chump doesn’t support that common sense nonsense.
But that is exactly why a company uses contractors. For example, the majority of tech workers in the oil industry now are independent consultants. In that industry the pay is usually higher that way but there are no benefits but the big advantage to the companies is that given the rollercoaster state of oil economics, the constant laying off of the staff was very expensive. As a consultant or contractor, they can just let you go.

Which is just fine if everyone is aware of the situation.

It isn't like the Uber drivers were promised things that didn't happen.
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Old March 28th, 2018, 09:31 AM   #50
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Uber's self-driving cars are back on the roads after the program was temporarily halted following a fatal crash in Tempe, Arizona, on March 23, 2018.
This is why I'm glad people are starting to ask: why the hell are these companies allowed to test their products on public roadways, and who is liable when a computer-driven car fails and causes a serious accident?
Considering that Uber has made its fortune by offloading costs on others/while collecting profits, I am waiting to see how their legal team (and lobbying team) handle any criminal and civil charges that come from an accident that killed a pedestrian in Arizona recently.
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Uber, the embodiment of the sharing economy, was once again propelled into the spotlight on March 19, 2018, after one of its self-driving cars struck and killed a pedestrian in Arizona. This has resulted in renewed debate over the safety of Uber's driverless cars, as well as over its illegal and unethical tactics of skirting regulations, which are in part responsible for the company's rapid growth.

The gig economy will soon account for over 40 percent of the US workforce.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/4...future-of-work

Since I am a tech-skeptic by orientation...someone who does not view all new tech devices as overwhelmingly beneficial unless or until proven otherwise, I am still as highly skeptical of the claims that these clowns can make robot cars safe, as much as I started getting skeptical of the claims that AI would create human-equivalent consciousness back in the 80's. Maybe it was part of my training...growing up watching the Jetsons all pile in to George Jetson's flying car in the show intro. Us kids from the 60's are still waiting for our flying cars! So, with any luck, most of the claims that 40% of workers will be replaced by robotics will not be substantiated....though I do work in a field where robotics has had a major impact in recent decades.
But, if they can't replace us all...the capitalists will probably go with their backup plan as the scrounging for profits gets more desperate: bring back slavery for a 2nd round! It only disappeared because the Age of Cheap Petroleum gave us "energy slaves"to do most of the manual work for us. When that ends...then it's back to the dark ages again...so much for Uber!
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