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Old April 5th, 2018, 03:57 PM   #71
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gender and sex dont have anything to do with each other. same with sexuality and sex or gender.
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You realize, you just asserted a postion which is counter to the consensus view in Psychology, Biology, Neuroscience, etc.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 03:59 PM   #72
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another obnoxious inquisition?
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This is a Discussion Board. Hence, my goal is to engage in productive conversation about issues that at times will manifest in lines of questioning
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Old April 5th, 2018, 04:02 PM   #73
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You realize, you just asserted a postion which is counter to the consensus view in Psychology, Biology, Neuroscience, etc.
nope. sex at birth has nothing to do with an individual person's gender.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 04:29 PM   #74
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nope. sex at birth has nothing to do with an individual person's gender.
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For many feminists in the social sciences, evolutionary psychologists are still seen as the enemy. The disagreement is not about the desirability of social change, but about where the causes of gender differences can be found. Unlike social constructionists, evolutionary psychologists accept that beliefs reside in the mind and not just in discourse and language. Traditional empirical method may not be perfect but it has the advantage of being a self-correcting system. Liberal feminists identify causes that are proximate and external but ultimately incompatible with a mass of empirical research. To acknowledge the impact of culture is not the same as saying that gender has no biological basis and that the nature of men and women is wholly constructed by society. Many social science feminists reject the notion that evolution could have had an impact on the minds of the two sexes.



The doctrines you supported are incompatible with Sociobiology, which is fundamentally an empirically driven field. The clash of Feminism with Sociobiology has went back to the late 60's, ever since the famous Biologist E.O. Wilson pioneered the field.

Are you familiar with this conflict?
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The doctrines you supported are incompatible with Sociobiology, which is fundamentally an empirically driven field. The clash of Feminism with Sociobiology has went back to the late 60's, ever since the famous Biologist E.O. Wilson pioneered the field.

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doesnt look like any of that has anything to do with those who study and research gender and gender dysphoria. not even your little shout out to "Liberal Feminists"

you are hilarious sometimes. try reading the studies, and yes they have studied this for decades, by the real medical and mental health professionals who work in the field.
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doesnt look like any of that has anything to do with those who study and research gender and gender dysphoria. not even your little shout out to "Liberal Feminists"

you are hilarious sometimes. try reading the studies, and yes they have studied this for decades, by the real medical and mental health professionals who work in the field.
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'Gender studies' (and such) is in the humanities as it is fundamentally an ideologically driven field, whereas Cognitive Science, Sociobiology, Biology, etc. are in the sciences as they are at core empirically driven fields.
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'Gender studies' (and such) is in the humanities as it is fundamentally an ideologically driven field, whereas Cognitive Science, Sociobiology, Biology, etc. are in the sciences as they are at core empirically driven fields.
so you dont thing psychologists do any studies at all? mental health professionals? doctors? seriously?

nice try, but you are still way off base as to who knows the issue better.
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so you dont thing psychologists do any studies at all? mental health professionals? doctors? seriously?
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Sociobiology is the roots of Evolutionary Psychology, which is precisely what I quoted to you. That is, I do think Psychologists do studies, and they are incompatible with the claims coming from the Humanities departments on this topic, which you adopted.
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Sociobiology is the roots of Evolutionary Psychology, which is precisely what I quoted to you. That is, I do think Psychologists do studies, and they are incompatible with the claims coming from the Humanities departments on this topic, which you adopted.
lol no, they're not
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lol no, they're not
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Are newborns already wired up to show sex-specific behavior?

Reiner and Gearhart tested this by doing psychological studies on children born with cloacal exstrophy, a severe condition in which (in males) the genitals are malformed (but not the testes), and there are defects of the bowels and bladder. It used to be fatal, but now can often be fixed by surgical intervention. (Often, however, medical problems remain, like the need for a colostomy or the later appearance of sciolosis). If you have a strong stomach, click on this link to see what a newborn with the syndrome looks like (go halfway down the page).

Reiner and Gearhart’s idea was this: if gender is “constructed” by socialization at birth, newborns who are raised as members of the opposite sex from birth should show behaviors characteristic of their “socialized” sex rather than their biological sex. Cloacal exstrophy gave them a chance to do this, because males born with the syndrome sometimes have their penises and testes removed, a vulva constructed instead, and are raised as girls. If the “socialization” hypothesis is correct, these males should show female-typical behaviors when older; if the biological hypothesis is correct, they should lean towards male behaviors.

The authors had a sample of fourteen newborn males with cloacal exstrophy whose parents agreed to participate in the study. The babies were surgically constructed to have female genitalia, and parents agreed to raise the boys as girls, never telling the children of their biological gender. (Two other males with the syndrome were raised as males even though they had the surgery.) Several of the parents were raising “normal” girls at the same time.

At ages ranging from 5 to 16, the female-raised males were given psychological tests that explored their interests in toys, dolls, and clothes, the time spent playing various games, athleticism, aggressive behavior, career and sexual interests, sex of friends, etc. They were also asked to declare their gender. The parents were also given questionnaires on their child’s behavior and relationships with other children.

The upshot: all 16 subjects, including those with female genitals raised as males, “revealed moderate-to-marked male-typical behaviors” compared to the scores of children raised according to their biological sex at birth. (The paper reports the scores for each child on a number of scales.) As for the parents, here’s what the authors report:

The parents of all 14 subjects assigned to female sex stated that they had reared their child as a female. Twelve of these subjects have sisters: parents described equivalent child-rearing approaches and attitudes toward the subjects and their sisters. However, parents described a moderate-to-pronounced unfolding of male-typical behaviors and attitudes over time in these subjects — but not in their sisters. Parents reported that the subjects typically resisted attempts to encourage play with female-typical toys or with female playmates or to behave as parents thought typical girls might behave. These 14 subjects expressed difficulties fitting in with girls. All but one played primarily or exclusively with male-typical toys. Only one played with dolls; the others did so almost never or never. Only one ever played house. Each of the three exceptions represents a different subject. Parents noted substantial difficulty attempting to dress the subjects — but not their sisters — in clearly feminine attire after about four years of age.

And, tellingly, of the 14 subjects, four of them declared themselves as “males” even though they had female-type genitalia, had been raised as girls, and had never been told of their birth sex. Four more were actually told of their birth sex by parents who abrogated the agreement, and all four of them declared themselves males. At the last follow-up, two more of the children were “unclear” about their sex, and another one refused to discuss it. (I believe, but am not sure, that the initial assessment of self-declared sex, and the children’s psychological tests, were performed before those four had been told that they were born male.)

At the end of the study, all eight of the male-declarers used male names and male restrooms, and all eight wanted surgical reconstruction of a penis. The other six still living as females all reported difficulty fitting in with female peers, a result not seen at all in cases of genetic females with cloacal exstrophy).

The conclusion: babies are born with brains already wired up in a gender-specific way. The authors theorize that this is due to pre-natal hormonal influences on the fetal brain that affect subsequent behavior. And although the study has weaknesses (see below), I agree with this conclusion. The results show that, to a large extent, the roots of gender-specific behavior are biologically rather than socially based, and are present at birth. This jibes with the experience of many of my friends who are parents, who report that despite their efforts to raise kids in gender-neutral ways, male toddlers go for trucks and females for dolls. The fact that rearing genetic males as females does not much affect their behavior indicates that socialization, at least via parenthood, plays at best a small role in the development of behavior.


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