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Old April 14th, 2018, 10:51 AM   #71
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Putin and his flunkies have mouthed off enough that I think they now have to do something. What it is and how the allies retaliate to that is key.
Do something like launching Russia's nuclear warheads and bring the whole human experiment to a close?

Every so often I get questioned on why I'm so hard on liberals....well this sure is fucking why!!!!

Just in the space of matter of years, we've seen liberals shift from posing as pacifists and reluctant warriors to increasing the numbers of wars, increasing the military budgets for Trump of all people (WTF does "resistance" mean anyway?) goading Russia to raise the stakes higher!

This tells me that liberals have NO core fundamental principles, and are content at remaining as part of a comfortable middle ground where they can virtue signal everyone at the cocktail party about their concerns for the environment, human rights, minority welfare, the general state of the world etc.. without having to do a goddammed thing to question, let alone change the system we have today, where the arms makers and merchants of death have taken over the most political and media influence.

At some point, I expect Putin is going to have to do something or his generals, his military-industrial complex will try to force him out for a more aggressive leader of Russia. And if we look back a year from now, I'm sure we'll learn the same things we've learned about Trump's firing of missiles at a Syrian airbase that was celebrated by CNN et al..... that Russia was given 48 hours warning before the attack, and the Syrian airforce moved most of its assets out of the way...and most of the missiles landed on two unused airstrips....let's see if this one turns out any different! Because the odds are that when someone like "Mad Dog" Mattis is calling for caution and restraint, the military staff are smart enough to realize there are limits to what you can get away with by poking a bear!
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Old April 14th, 2018, 11:05 AM   #72
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I do not believe that Assad would have done this. Now, back to my question


Do you approve of this action?
I have a question to ask first: is it constitutional by US standards, and are these neverending unilateral US P2P military actions violations of international law? (that being the law that applies to rogue nations the US wants to destroy, but doesn't want to abide by itself)

According to Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders,* unilateral attacks by the US are violations of the US Constitution, because they apply and keep extending this concocted AUMF bullshit to put America's warmaking powers in the hands of the executive and not the Congress...which is the body that is supposed to authorize war and military actions. And, of course the non-stop invasions of foreign nations to remove and install new regimes is a clear violation of international law..but this is the price that the world has been paying ever since the US declared itself "the only remaining superpower in the world." And this makes the situation for the US extremely precarious actually! Because...like so many other creaking. crumbling empires of the past, other forces in the world...namely Russia and China, are forming military and economic alliances and quietly working on plans to end US dominance of the world by means that nobody knows of yet. But, when the US Dollar starts to collapse or if new, maneuverable missiles start taking out those sitting ducks on the world's oceans (US carrier fleets) America can expect to find a pack of baying wolves at its door...not sympathetic allies! That's the price you have to pay for ruthlessly applying power to maintain your control of the world's commerce and political structures.


*(I guess when you go far enough to the left or right you end up in the zone where you can tell the truth...but you get no money from the arms merchants.)

Rand Paul on Syria Strikes: 'I Think It Is Unconstitutional' | Breitbart

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...r-attack-syria
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Old April 14th, 2018, 11:17 AM   #73
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If you actually believe that that a sitting president would involve the US in an international war to distract people from whatever little faux scandle that is currently being played out in the tabloids regardless of the president and/or the scandal that is very, very foolish.
I believe it...because there's lots of factual and circumstantial evidence it has happened in the past! Nowadays, when war is as easy as pushing a button to fire a drone, and exposes no risk of flag-draped coffins being returned back home, American leaders have never been more inclined to engage in warfare to boost their image back home.

If you'll accept that this assessment of Obama being far from the reluctant warrior and pushing his Pentagon staff to launch drone attacks sometimes against their advice

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.co...ikes-than-bush

...then why is it so hard to believe that a dimwitted narcissist like Trump would be even more likely to launch...even the most precarious operations...like last year's Yemen attack that succeeded in killing an 8 year old girl among its victims...who seems to have been the unfinished business of Obama, when he took out her father and a month later her 16 year old brother!
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Old April 14th, 2018, 11:40 AM   #74
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So you are saying that the military doesn’t know who gassed these Syrians but Don the Con attacked them anyway ? Is that what you are saying ?
I'm saying it! Because...unless something radically changed in the last few minutes, NOBODY has offered evidence to back up the claims that these attacks were made by the Syrian Government. The last one to make the claim...that French neoliberal piece of shit - Macron, claimed he had proof...but it seems that a lot of journalists are just beginning to demand some flesh be put on these bones, cause they asked him pointedly for the evidence, and he dodged with the usual classified and security bullshit excuses for not supplying any evidence beyond "Trust Me!" Well, what happened to John Kerry's continual repetition of "We Know" back when he and the Obama Admin claimed to have the same evidence of a prior gas attack incident in northern Syria. Might want to look that up...because no one at your usual news sources ever will!

A few points need to be made clear in all this bafflegab about gas attacks:
1. the Syrian rebels...mostly Al Qaeda affiliates trained and financed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and the US, seized large stocks of chemical agents during the early years of the Civil War when they were making advances and seemed poised to overrun Syria. In order to circumvent the US-sponsored regime change, Putin got on the phone with Assad and demanded that he agree to the destruction and removal of all chemical agents that were still under the control of the Syrian Army. No doubt this deal was made with the undeclared provision that Russia would make up the difference in providing arms and air support to the Assad Government. But the point that never gets through the MSM disinformation is that if a gas attack is real (those fake civil defense 'white helmets' have been shown to have staged at least two fraudulent rescues after gas attacks, where nobody was wearing protective gear!), it is more likely the chemical agents come from one of the rebel groups than from the Syrian Government today! And especially when we consider that the attacks for some reason, only seem to occur when the Syrian forces are about to take a city from the rebels, who has the greater motivation to launch a gas attack anyway?

2. The Big Question that never gets asked is: Why Are Some Chemical Weapons a Justification for US bombings while other chemical agents...ones used by the US and Allies, are not?

Take some time to look up 'white phosphorus' and look at the effects it has on victims as it continues to burn victims through the skin layers and even the bones! And then consider that victims of several Israeli attacks on Gaza and Lebanon, as well as victims of the US revenge bombing of Fallujah during the Iraq War showed evidence of phosphorus burns, and then tell me why it's okay to use white phosphorus/but not nerve gas or clorine gas or whatever they're claiming today?

3. And finally: isn't any of the brainwashed drones soaking up their news and information from CNN and likeminded sources concerned about that other illegal war that's a greater violation of human rights than Syria.....Yemen? The US is financing and providing essential military support for the war crimes committed by the Saudi and allied Gulf emirate air forces, creating a catastrophic situation where millions are facing starvation and many of those...especially the thousands infected with cholera and unable to access medical help are going to die in the coming weeks and months. When was the last time Wolf Blitzer breathlessly reported on that war?
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Seriously. Go back and read his posts. They are completely devoid of any original thought therefore that statement continuously applies.


Well, I must admit you OFTEN excel at original thought...but not lately. There's Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. Strive to be Occam.

Keep working on it, sweetie.

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I have a question to ask first: is it constitutional by US standards, and are these neverending unilateral US P2P military actions violations of international law? (that being the law that applies to rogue nations the US wants to destroy, but doesn't want to abide by itself)

According to Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders,* unilateral attacks by the US are violations of the US Constitution, because they apply and keep extending this concocted AUMF bullshit to put America's warmaking powers in the hands of the executive and not the Congress...which is the body that is supposed to authorize war and military actions. And, of course the non-stop invasions of foreign nations to remove and install new regimes is a clear violation of international law..but this is the price that the world has been paying ever since the US declared itself "the only remaining superpower in the world." And this makes the situation for the US extremely precarious actually! Because...like so many other creaking. crumbling empires of the past, other forces in the world...namely Russia and China, are forming military and economic alliances and quietly working on plans to end US dominance of the world by means that nobody knows of yet. But, when the US Dollar starts to collapse or if new, maneuverable missiles start taking out those sitting ducks on the world's oceans (US carrier fleets) America can expect to find a pack of baying wolves at its door...not sympathetic allies! That's the price you have to pay for ruthlessly applying power to maintain your control of the world's commerce and political structures.


*(I guess when you go far enough to the left or right you end up in the zone where you can tell the truth...but you get no money from the arms merchants.)

Rand Paul on Syria Strikes: 'I Think It Is Unconstitutional' | Breitbart

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...r-attack-syria

I believe that it is absolutely unconstitutional yet if anyone has been paying any sort of attention the US constitution only applies now days in lip service only.

The banksters and the powers that be have known for generations that what keeps them in power and continuously pads their bottomless pockets is keeping nations at war w/ one and other
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Do something like launching Russia's nuclear warheads and bring the whole human experiment to a close?

Every so often I get questioned on why I'm so hard on liberals....well this sure is fucking why!!!!

Just in the space of matter of years, we've seen liberals shift from posing as pacifists and reluctant warriors to increasing the numbers of wars, increasing the military budgets for Trump of all people (WTF does "resistance" mean anyway?) goading Russia to raise the stakes higher!

This tells me that liberals have NO core fundamental principles, and are content at remaining as part of a comfortable middle ground where they can virtue signal everyone at the cocktail party about their concerns for the environment, human rights, minority welfare, the general state of the world etc.. without having to do a goddammed thing to question, let alone change the system we have today, where the arms makers and merchants of death have taken over the most political and media influence.

At some point, I expect Putin is going to have to do something or his generals, his military-industrial complex will try to force him out for a more aggressive leader of Russia. And if we look back a year from now, I'm sure we'll learn the same things we've learned about Trump's firing of missiles at a Syrian airbase that was celebrated by CNN et al..... that Russia was given 48 hours warning before the attack, and the Syrian airforce moved most of its assets out of the way...and most of the missiles landed on two unused airstrips....let's see if this one turns out any different! Because the odds are that when someone like "Mad Dog" Mattis is calling for caution and restraint, the military staff are smart enough to realize there are limits to what you can get away with by poking a bear!
Liberals?

smfh......
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Liberals?

smfh......
Okay, since you raised your hand, tell me what liberal principles are adhered to when formed into policy decisions?

Open, unencumbered trade in products and services? Nope! All it took was changing from Republican/Conservative leadership to Democrats/Liberals in the US and Canada to do an about-face on the FTA...which soon morphed into NAFTA after Mexico was signed on. And of course, we just witnessed a Democrat president making the most aggressive push ever to try to create three new international trade pacts as his lasting legacy....and no doubt would have brought greater rewards than $400,000 speeches, if he succeeded in pushing them through Congress!

Military Spending? If anyone was paying attention, most of the same "resistance" Democratic leaders who called Trump 'dangerously unbalanced and too incompetent for the job of president', nevertheless gave him a record $80 billion increase in US military and surveillance state budgets when he only asked for a mere $64 billion increase! And, keep in mind that the more money the US Gov spends on military and related spending, either the greater the debt-load or the less money is available for domestic spending that liberals will claim to hold dear out of the other sides of their mouths!

Not surprising that so many independents from all political spectrums...who don't consider the non-stop war industry- propaganda to be "news", see the "Resistance" as hypocrites spouting empty rhetoric!

Unless you follow independent and foreign news sources, you're likely not even aware that the greatest military threat today may not be between the much focused on tensions between Russia and the US, BUT the increasing naval arms race the US has been having with China in the Pacific and Indian Oceans! This is the cost of maintaining empire and trying to stop the rise of competitors:
https://warisboring.com/21st-century-gunboat-diplomacy/

And related to military and costs of empire, do liberals really believe in civil rights and abiding by international standards and principles?

Guantanamo never closed, though some prisoners were freed or sent off to other prisons. Obama added more war fronts, kept demanding the renewal of the AUMF, never allowed the prosecution of Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or lesser players for war crimes committed while in office. And this is coming back to bight you in the ass as Trump wants a woman who was directly responsible for the waterboarding and other torture programs (Gina Haspel) to head the CIA...and it looks clear that Dems aren't going to try to stop her!
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/jo...n-for-the-cia/

But, "we want to look forward, not backward!"

These are some of the about-faces on what were supposed to be core liberal principles in the last few decades that were all based on political expediency. That may allow you to win some battles, but viewers on the political sidelines don't know what you stand for.
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I believe that it is absolutely unconstitutional yet if anyone has been paying any sort of attention the US constitution only applies now days in lip service only.

The banksters and the powers that be have known for generations that what keeps them in power and continuously pads their bottomless pockets is keeping nations at war w/ one and other
Libertarians and socialists+anarchists may have different reasons for opposing imperialism and the reach and power of international banking institutions, but those principles of their respective adherents serve as indictments of self-proclaimed libertarians (Rand Paul) and social democrats (Bernie Sanders) when the lure of a presidential campaign motivates them to shift to that amorphous, well-financed middle ground, when more than muted criticism of the wars and the military spending would mean taking on the well-financed and media-controlling special interests while trying to run a successful political campaign.

Nice to see that Rand and Bernie are trying to reset to where they were before they thought about the White House! The same can't be said for the standard liberal and out-of-the-box conservative candidates who try to bully and BS their supporters into following along with their ideological shifts!
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The wars are blamed on oil.

Damn oil that kills a lot of innocent human being, that was supposed to die were the greedy people the world has.
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