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Old May 8th, 2018, 09:20 PM   #41
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Dumb ass (I SAY THAT AFFECTUNATELY) listen carefully.. this was not a treaty it was an EXECUTIVE AGREEMENT

That was a unilaterally done by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH IT WAS ALL OBAMA.


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OK, SFB, it was not done by Obama. Why can't you get that through your head.
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OK, SFB, it was not done by Obama. Why can't you get that through your head.
Yes it was done totally by Obama.. if he had gone to the Senate THE AGREEMENT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SIGNED..

As I said this was an EXECUTIVE AGREEMENT NOT A TREATY..

He DID NOT SEEK THE ADVISE AND CONSENT OF THE SENATE... so it was 100% Obama's decision to enter the agreement.

Please for you own sake, stop blasting your ignorance across the forum.
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57% of americans say TRUMP IS LEADING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
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Old May 9th, 2018, 02:06 AM   #44
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In other words you have no idea. Trump did something so it is bad. This makes you compelled to vomit leftist platitudes repeatedly for no real reason whatsoever.

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The ultimate in hypocrisy. You support a president who thinks anything that had anything to do with Obama is good enough reason to shitcan it.

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Once again...

"With the Advice and Consent of the (US) Senate," the US ratified the UN Charter in 1945, whereby the US "agree(d) to accept and carry out the decisions of the (UN) Security Council in accordance with the present Charter." (Chapter 5, Article 25)

http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-v/

And the JCPOA was essentially put into force by one of those collections of UN Security Council decisions contained in Resolution 2231.

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/f...n2231-2015.pdf

And, I'll add that the language that was utilized by said resolution and the implied non-binding obligations of the US contained in said resolution means that the US did not and does not have to ratify said obligations.

Nevertheless, there will still be certain ramifications that will very likely arise when the US does not live up to said obligations, whether they are binding or not, particularly when the US wants to negotiate and make nuclear-related deals with North Korea.





(And, as a side note I'd add that there is nothing new (nor even necessarily unconstitutional) about "executive agreements," of which have taken place ever since the founding of the US.)
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57% of americans say TRUMP IS LEADING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
you dont know anything about statistics.......
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Dontcha just love alternative factoids?

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57% of americans say TRUMP IS LEADING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
From the seemingly apparent same poll...

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In a head-to-head comparison with his immediate predecessor, Trump does not fare very well. Most, 56%, say Barack Obama was a better president than Trump has been, and 37% say Trump is doing a better job than Obama did.
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On handling foreign affairs, Trump's approval rating tops 40% for the first time since April of 2017, though the increase since March is not statistically significant (42% approve currently).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/polit...ses/index.html


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The Art of the Regime Change

Donald Trump's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal has one goal in mind ó and no plan to achieve it.

By Stephen M. Walt | May 8, 2018, 3:50 PM


As long expected, Donald Trump has bowed to his ego, his petulant envy of Barack Obama, his hard-line donors, his new set of hawkish advisors, and above all his own ignorance and walked away from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the international agreement that prevents Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Together with his foolish decision to abandon the Trans-Pacific Partnership, this is likely to be his most consequential foreign-policy blunder yet.

It is important to understand whatís really going on here. Trumpís decision is not based on a desire to keep Iran from getting a nuclear bomb; if that were the case, it would make much more sense to stay firmly committed to the deal and eventually negotiate to make it permanent. After all, both the International Atomic Energy Agency (which monitors and inspects Iranís facilities) and U.S. intelligence agree that Iran has been in full compliance with the JCPOA since it was signed. Indeed, as Peter Beinart points out, it is the United States that has arguably been failing to live up to its own commitments.

Nor was Trumpís decision motivated by a desire to counter Iranís various regional activities, such as its support for Bashar al-Assadís regime in Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon. If that were his goal, the sensible course of action would have been to stay in the deal (which keeps Iran from going nuclear) and to line up other countries to join the United States and pressure Iran on these matters of concern. Not only will Trump find it impossible to assemble the same multinational coalition that produced the JCPOA, but Iran is going to be doubly reluctant to negotiate with the United States now that Trump has shown that Americaís word simply cannot be trusted.

So what is going on? Simple: Abandoning the JCPOA is based on the desire to ďkeep Iran in the penalty boxĒ and prevent it from establishing normal relations with the outside world. This goal unites Israel, the hard-line wing of the Israel lobby (e.g., the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Foundation for Defense of Democracies, United Against Nuclear Iran), and hawks including National Security Advisor John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and many others. Their great fear was that the United States and its Middle East allies might eventually have to acknowledge Iran as a legitimate regional power and grant it some degree of regional influence. Not regional dominance, mind you, which Iran probably does not seek and is light-years from achieving, but rather the recognition that Iran has regional interests and that its preferences need to be considered when important regional questions are being resolved. This is anathema for U.S. hawks, whose primary goal is to ensure that Iran remains an isolated pariah forever.

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Richard Grenell, the newly confirmed US ambassador to Germany, said in an exclusive interview with Fox News on Thursday that German companies should stop trade with the Islamic Republic of Iran because Tehran sponsors terrorism.
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If I were Germany I'd tell the US to go to hell.
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