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Old May 12th, 2018, 07:59 AM   #11
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Why didn’t you post my entire comment?
Because it avoided a fact. Torture, as admitted by McCain, did work in his case and resulted in him making a propaganda recording.

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This is exactly what we've been discussing on other threads--just how LOW is this nation going to go under Trump's admin?? WaPo asks this: What are the boundaries of civil debate about the torture of terrorism suspects?
AND I'm asking "WHERE are our boundaries?" Do we even have boundaries anymore?? Doubtful.

First Trump slams McCain: “He was a war hero because he was captured,” Trump said at a 2015 event. “I like people who weren’t captured.” Then slammed McCain for his "NO" vote on the healthcare bill. Then Trump's AID says something astonishing "He's dying anyway".

So what have we learned..? There’s the bar, as set by the president of the United States.

Now we have an AF Lt. General calling McCain Songbird John...because he thinks torture works and we should use it. Here's the thing, General, there’s no evidence for the claim that McCain betrayed his country in captivity.

'Songbird John' McCain? No evidence McCain helped enemy in Vietnam | PolitiFact
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Old May 12th, 2018, 08:22 AM   #13
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What is really funny to me (in the midst of a whole bunch of disgust about how some people condone this) is that Haspel herself admits torture doesn't work.
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Because it avoided a fact. Torture, as admitted by McCain, did work in his case and resulted in him making a propaganda recording.

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American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America borders.

Were we using torture to make propaganda tapes? No.

So McCain saying torture “worked” has no relevance to the discussion.
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And, here is a LINK to the actual recording.

I didn't know you were a big fan of FoxNews.


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Old May 12th, 2018, 08:33 AM   #16
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Because it avoided a fact. Torture, as admitted by McCain, did work in his case and resulted in him making a propaganda recording.

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American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America borders.

Were we using torture to make propaganda tapes? No.

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The Vietnamese used torture on McCain, and as a result, he made a propaganda recording for them. Here is a LINK to the actual recording.




McInerney made a factual comment on FoxNews and was banned for stating a fact.



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Old May 12th, 2018, 08:41 AM   #17
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The Vietnamese used torture on McCain, and as a result, he made a propaganda recording for them. Here is a LINK to the actual recording.




McInerney made a factual comment on FoxNews and was banned for stating a fact.



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No he was banned for calling McCain “songbird”. He was banned for disparaging a man who turned down an offer to be released from hell because of who his father was, a man who has served this country for most of his life.

He wasn’t banned for what he said about torture, he was banned for what he said about a national hero.

Now if we could only ban the current occupant of the White House for the same reason.
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[QUOTE=johnwk;1166851]And, here is a LINK to the actual recording.

I didn't know you were a big fan of FoxNews.


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Oh JWK! There are obviously MANY things you don't know about me. But back to the LINK.

I stand by my statement which was this: There’s no evidence for the claim that McCain betrayed his country in captivity.
AND I will add this. McCain made a statement about his health and well-being. There's no evidence that he ever collaborated with the North Vietnamese.

Torture MAY work to some degree but has never had a guaranteed outcome. If the POW breaks down he usually provides some bogus names/info which seems to appease the enemy--at least for awhile. McCain admits there was a time when he signed a confession claiming he was a criminal blah blah blah. When the enemy wanted names McCain says he wrote names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line and said they were members of his squadron. The only reason I remember that is because Mr. Clara and I are Pack fans.
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Old May 12th, 2018, 08:58 AM   #19
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No he was banned for calling McCain “songbird”. .
Stop lying. What was stated by McInerney is as follows: "It worked on John [McCain]. That's why they call him 'Songbird John'" Many of those who served with McCain gave him that name. Just like many of those who served with John Kerry called him a traitor.

Stop misrepresenting what McInerney said.


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It is a stain on McCain's record to lie that torture does not work.

But this thread is about FoxNews banning someone for telling the truth. FoxNew rails against political correctness 24/7. But in this instance, they decide to ban someone for telling the truth.


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Yah. Depends on what you mean by work. If you mean actionable, reliable intel, no, in the long run - & possibly in the short run too - it doesn't work. If it actually worked as advertised, everyone would do it. But not everyone does, & the more effective outfits seem not to rely on torture.

TMK, Fox is about ratings & money (the same as most of the MSM, to be sure). I'm sure they appreciate having a president who watches, but they're in show biz to make money. If you're surprised that they appear to have gone against their founding precepts, I'm surprised that they recognize that there are lines they don't want to cross. I didn't think them capable of any kind of subtlety.
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