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Old May 13th, 2018, 12:49 PM   #21
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Literally who cares what they said? Their opinions are irrelevant and obviously not something that the European countries are even going to consider, who depend on the United States for national security.
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Old May 13th, 2018, 12:51 PM   #22
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Total bullshit. Europe and China have every right to continue to abide by the agreement. Their economies should not be screwed because we have a mentally unbalanced fool in the White House.
Our withdrawal does not hinder the Europeans. If they want to make money with a known terrorist state, that's their business. The U.S. should have never been party to such a ridiculous agreement in the first place.
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Old May 13th, 2018, 12:54 PM   #23
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What would the US have gained by remaining in this under the table deal?

If it was so important than maybe O-bomber should have ran it through the proper channels
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Old May 13th, 2018, 01:01 PM   #24
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Obimbo, exhorting European allies to expel U.S. diplomats? Kind of bordering on Sedition, isn't it? But then, it is Obimbo's only shot a some kind of legacy. Other than being completely worthless.
It was two literally-whos, former staffers who are totally insignificant.

Besides, I don't think sedition would hold up in court.
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Our withdrawal does not hinder the Europeans. If they want to make money with a known terrorist state, that's their business. The U.S. should have never been party to such a ridiculous agreement in the first place.
Iran is simply acting in its own interest when faced with a lumbering beast, the world's poisoner, which spreads its errors like a malignant tumor across the globe. Iran has every right to take actions to defend itself, including the production of nuclear weapons. The Bomb is the great equalizer, and prevents the United States (or anyone for that matter) to truly invade a country without the risk of catastrophic destruction. In other words, it makes the United States question whether or not it is worth the loss of cities to violate the sovereignty of Iran.

And, we should. We have gotten very lucky that the nations that we've bullied and violated their sovereignty over the past couple decades are weak and failed states who cannot actually oppose us in any real way. We've begun a bloodthirsty Golem, constructed and commanded by those who do not really care what happens to American lives and American money, but only that the bloody task is completed. Libya itself had a nuclear program, and discontinued and disarmed to try to have the United States stop its trade embargo. You know what happened in return. The country's sovereignty was violated by NATO and terrorists took control of the country. This is a fact. Now there are millions of people pouring into Europe from this failure of state policy. Or was it a failure at all?

To get back to the point, Iran has every right to defend itself from us. We are the aggressors in the Middle East, and have brought nothing to the Arabs except death and destruction and disorder.

And they won't stop until we're blown away.
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You are sure such actions wouldn't result in a greater good in the long run?
Yeah sure if you believe in rashly destabilizing any society always works without any hitch.
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It was two literally-whos, former staffers who are totally insignificant.

Besides, I don't think sedition would hold up in court.

Iran is simply acting in its own interest when faced with a lumbering beast, the world's poisoner, which spreads its errors like a malignant tumor across the globe. Iran has every right to take actions to defend itself, including the production of nuclear weapons. The Bomb is the great equalizer, and prevents the United States (or anyone for that matter) to truly invade a country without the risk of catastrophic destruction. In other words, it makes the United States question whether or not it is worth the loss of cities to violate the sovereignty of Iran.

And, we should. We have gotten very lucky that the nations that we've bullied and violated their sovereignty over the past couple decades are weak and failed states who cannot actually oppose us in any real way. We've begun a bloodthirsty Golem, constructed and commanded by those who do not really care what happens to American lives and American money, but only that the bloody task is completed. Libya itself had a nuclear program, and discontinued and disarmed to try to have the United States stop its trade embargo. You know what happened in return. The country's sovereignty was violated by NATO and terrorists took control of the country. This is a fact. Now there are millions of people pouring into Europe from this failure of state policy. Or was it a failure at all?

To get back to the point, Iran has every right to defend itself from us. We are the aggressors in the Middle East, and have brought nothing to the Arabs except death and destruction and disorder.

And they won't stop until we're blown away.
I understand and sympathize with with your isolationism, if this is your meaning. However, we are not a uniquely evil bullying nation. The US is pretty standard representative of any other country in the world looking after its own interest. The only difference, i guess, is that we're the only ones told and scolded too feel guilty about it.
And sure, The Iranian regime has never liked us, but that is because of our stance on Israel and in not recognizing the theocracy's existence. Back track on either two or one and the Ayatollahs would love us. Give them nukes so they can dominate the region and they would be the most pro American country in the region for the next century or so. However, following any of these three options would make us a whole set of new enemies with similar power as Iran's.

Damned if we do and damned if we don't.
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Literally who cares what they said? Their opinions are irrelevant and obviously not something that the European countries are even going to consider, who depend on the United States for national security.
Who cared about Snowden at one time? Will the Russians do of course.
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Yeah sure if you believe in rashly destabilizing any society always works without any hitch.
Sometimes, progress has a cost.
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Sometimes, progress has a cost.
Its like a pendulum. It swings both ways. Remember this comment for future reference.
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I understand and sympathize with with your isolationism, if this is your meaning. However, we are not a uniquely evil bullying nation. The US is pretty standard representative of any other country in the world looking after its own interest. The only difference, i guess, is that we're the only ones told and scolded too feel guilty about it.
And sure, The Iranian regime has never liked us, but that is because of our stance on Israel and in not recognizing the theocracy's existence. Back track on either two or one and the Ayatollahs would love us. Give them nukes so they can dominate the region and they would be the most pro American country in the region for the next century or so. However, following any of these three options would make us a whole set of new enemies with similar power as Iran's.

Damned if we do and damned if we don't.
I don't really care on whether or not the Arab countries like us or not. It really isn't our responsibility to act as the axis on which all the other countries rotate. The Empire is crumbling and we have too many chickens coming to roost at home to continue to bother with these things.

The issue with what you said is that we're supposedly looking out for our interests, but what is the interest here? To protect Israel? I would, to be blunt, love to see that infernal country burn. At the very fucking least, cut them loose from the taxpayer-funded stipend that we've been funneling them.

As I said earlier, the Empire is falling apart before our eyes and our first and only responsibility is to take care of our citizens. We don't need bases in Europe, since those countries have the GDP to operate on their own. There's no reason for any of it, except for maintaining the Empire.
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