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Old May 14th, 2018, 02:35 PM   #11
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Yeah, I wonder how some homeless vet on skid row would make out if he had the same condition.
Nearly every city in every state has outreach programs funded by the VA to identify and secure housing and medical attention for homeless veterans.

It's very effective, despite efforts by Trump and Congress trying to cut funding.

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Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin has killed a plan to shift money from a major homelessness program in response to a wave of protest from veterans' advocates, who said the move would aggravate conditions for chronically ill and vulnerable vets.

Advocates for veterans, state officials and even officials from HUD, which co-sponsors the $460 million program, had attacked the decision, saying the service has helped dramatically reduce homelessness among veterans. After POLITICO published a story about their anger, Shulkin reversed course late Wednesday.
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Old May 14th, 2018, 02:37 PM   #12
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Yes.

When I was a child, I was on that same type of "government health care" program; that's because my father was in the military (i.e., he was on the military payroll) & I along with my mother and siblings were dependents, and as a result of being dependents we had access to that program. It's analogous to health insurance compensation provided by employers to employees and members of their families, except instead of a health insurance plan/group/network/whatever number given to healthcare providers, the facilities (hospitals, clinics, etc.) were directly operated by the government (it or part of it is, or was, called PRIMUS), and the "employer" happened to be the federal government (specifically the military/DoD).

I had a military dependent ID card for that & with it I also had access to the PX, commissary, 7 day stores (convenience stores somewhat similar to a 7-Eleven store), and other perks only available to military service members and their families (who qualified as dependents).

I hope you're not confusing a program that's analogous to an employer funded health insurance for employees and members of their families (essentially what it is) with socialized medicine, which is a centralized command/control/planning of the healthcare system for all its citizen sort of system.

For Melania Trump, it's analogous to healthcare services provided by her husband's "employer" to her as a "dependent" (in a payroll type of context & what not).
It's called Tricare.

However, the VA health care system isn't like that. It is the epitome of a socialized medical care system and could be even more efficient with appropriate funding.
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Old May 14th, 2018, 02:44 PM   #13
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It's called Tricare.

However, the VA health care system isn't like that. It is the epitome of a socialized medical care system and could be even more efficient with appropriate funding.
And he is wrong in his characterization of socialized medicine. Some countries may have a system like that but very few. However, it helps him to maintain his prejudices by believing such false concepts.
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Old May 14th, 2018, 05:11 PM   #14
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Let's hope it's nothing low level Trump communications staffers can make ignorant comments about...
She should get a donaldectomy.
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Old May 14th, 2018, 05:20 PM   #15
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It's called Tricare.
Yes, Tricare replaced CHAMPUS in 1994, but by then I wasn't a child anymore.

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However, the VA health care system isn't like that.
I wasn't referring to the VA health care system. I don't know much about it other than that it's basically for military service members who aren't active duty, and what we hear in the news about it.

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It is the epitome of a socialized medical care system
Yeah, I'll agree with you about this.

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and could be even more efficient with appropriate funding.
Perhaps your intent was meant to express something different, but as written it doesn't make much sense, or maybe it's just too vague. The idea behind efficiency in an economic sense is to make something more efficient without increasing funding, or to keep the efficiency the same and reducing funding. I'm only talking about the rate (per person, per appointment visit, per capita, that sort of thing); I'm not referring here to increasing funding to keep up with population growth, etc. The budget for that would increase as tax revenues increase as a result of a larger population paying taxes, so that gets canceled by getting factored out that way.
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And he is wrong in his characterization of socialized medicine. Some countries may have a system like that but very few. However, it helps him to maintain his prejudices by believing such false concepts.
I "characterize" socialized medicine that way because that's how it's defined & described. If you can provide me with a source that contradicts my "characterization", I thank you in advance. (Anyone taking bets that RNG won't so much as attempt to make this happen? )
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Old May 14th, 2018, 05:54 PM   #17
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I "characterize" socialized medicine that way because that's how it's defined & described. If you can provide me with a source that contradicts my "characterization", I thank you in advance. (Anyone taking bets that RNG won't so much as attempt to make this happen? )
Are you giving odds?
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Are you giving odds?
From what I recall with RNG, the record is O 4 all; how do you give odds with that?
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i hope she will be ok, and that she recovers quickly.

i dont care to squabble over healthcare. everyone should have it, like every other industrialized nation. period.

get well soon FLOTUS.
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