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Old May 21st, 2018, 08:30 AM   #51
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When will you people learn that the U.S. is NOT a fucking theocracy based on ANY religion and the rules of ANY religion's Holy Book is NOT what we base our laws on.
In other words, who gives a shit?
John Adams wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813 and said "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity".
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Old May 21st, 2018, 08:58 AM   #52
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John Adams wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813 and said "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity".
So what? You do not understand what a PERSONAL opinion is? Or that former Presidents also have them and express them PRIVATELY in PRIVATE letters to others?
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Old May 21st, 2018, 09:20 AM   #53
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wonder where the aclu would come down on this?

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The purported assignment came from the young girl’s social studies class, and included a page that required the students to copy the Islamic faith declaration in calligraphy.

According to The Christian Post, “the packet went into detail about the history of Islam, the prophet Muhammad, and the five pillars of the religion.”

Penkoski, however, was most perturbed by the notion that the children were instructed to write the Arabic form of the Shahada.

The Shahada is the Islamic profession of faith, which roughly translates to, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”
We share this world with Muslims and we plan wars against them, and it is therefore very important to know something about them. What we have been doing in total ignorance is inexcusable.

I want to take religion in school a step further. Let us begin with the biblical story of creation and the science of how impossible it is to turn mud into a living and breathing human body. Nothing in the universe is made by magic. It is all made in accordance to natural laws, and that knowledge is what got us out of the dark ages, mass ignorance and superstition. It is understanding the laws of nature that has put an end to the evils of famine, plagues, early deaths. Praying to a god has not ended one of those evils. Science has. And we can do even better if we base our culture and laws on the science of humans and animals, instead of on mythology and superstition that leads to the ignorance and prejudice that you demonstrate.
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Old May 21st, 2018, 09:33 AM   #54
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They’re lying. No one believes students were required to repeat the sinners prayer, get baptized, or take communion. Things that would be more equivalent to stating or writing the Moslem statement of faith.
Christianity without the liberal education we once had is a very dangerous thing. Before we replaced liberal education with education for technology and left moral training to the church we had a different culture. I very well remember when I was in high school, I was required to do a paper on Islam. Back then we had a better understanding of what an education means. People did not object to learning of all the religions but understood learning of all people is important to rule by reason and not being controlled by authority (church or government authority) and lead into immoral wars.
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The Muslim goat breeder only had a 5 acre farm and his goats were used to slaughter on Muslim religious days. The Muslim goat breeder used to live four miles down the road from me but his neighbors complained about goat flies to the Brown Township Trustees who fixed the problem with two simple mandates: 1.) Goats are now forbidden in Brown Township. 2.) You need at least 25 acres for any farm or house.

He tried in vain to play the Muslim Card to no effect with the media or government. He claimed Muslim Discrimination. Horses will always be legal in Brown Township but chickens got banned. The Muslim pulled up stakes and moved to where goats are legal.

edit: I forgot to mention that no church of any kind is allowed in Brown Township. The Hells Angels got kicked out of Brown Township.
Can't have Hell's Angels or Satan worshipers, without Christianity, so I suppose a ban on churches would also be a ban on Hell's Angels and Satanist.
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Christianity without the liberal education we once had is a very dangerous thing. Before we replaced liberal education with education for technology and left moral training to the church we had a different culture. I very well remember when I was in high school, I was required to do a paper on Islam. Back then we had a better understanding of what an education means. People did not object to learning of all the religions but understood learning of all people is important to rule by reason and not being controlled by authority (church or government authority) and lead into immoral wars.
An interesting post, but totally unresponsive to what I posted. I have not and do not object to students learning about all religions. I do object to lying.
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This is what the students were forced to write and repeat 3 times was The Shahada.

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There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God
That is the equivalent to the Sinner's Prayer in the Christian Faith, or the Apostles Creed in many Christian Denominations.
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There is nothing wrong with teaching world religions. IN fact, it's a great idea. Religion CAN be taught in school. Students can pray IN school. Students can read the Bible/Koran/Torah in school. Students are welcome to say grace before their meals IN SCHOOL. WHAT cannot be done is TEACHER LED religious activities! If religion is taught in public school then many religions (World Religions) must be taught. Educators are not permitted to teach ONE religion (such as Christianity) OVER another.

AND if the assignment was NOT required, then what's the problem?

I really don't get the whole calligraphy assignment except that maybe the artistically-inclined students would enjoy the challenge and beauty of the calligraphy??
The assignment - a teacher-led activity - involved writing some religion based declaration of faith, and the fact that it happened to be in calligraphy is irrelevant to the point of contention. This means that you agree that this assignment should not have been issued; am I wrong?
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The assignment - a teacher-led activity - involved writing some religion based declaration of faith, and the fact that it happened to be in calligraphy is irrelevant to the point of contention. This means that you agree that this assignment should not have been issued; am I wrong?
The kicker was they were forced to write it and recite it 3 times.. (when you profess faith through the Shahada you must do so 3 times..
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Old May 21st, 2018, 01:30 PM   #60
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I guess it depends on your expectations. When the syllabus says World Religions and the class is 2 credits--one semester--I'm not expecting a lot of detail and certainly not anticipating ALL religions to be covered considering there are at least 4000 religions in this ol' world.
The class focused on the major 5: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism.

I was raised in a small town with Lutherans, Catholics and Methodists so ANYTHING beyond that was NEWS to me.
My expectation is an honest assesement of the belief systems, not flim-flam that is afraid to call (most of) these religions what they are: a mind virus.
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One at a time Go!

Don't ask, that is your right, but do not force children to write out a profession of faith in a false god. There is one God
You worship a false God, a Judaic-spawned Golem meant to ensnare your mind with lies and trickery. Your religion is for slaves, constructed to make men fall to their knees instead of rising to their feet. You mock Muslims without realizing that they profess, inherently, the same singular deity. In fact Muhammad drew upon Judaic and Christian (albeit Arian and Nestorian) texts to craft his system.

You say there is but one God.

I say, as above, so below. The natural order professes the multitude.
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