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Old May 17th, 2018, 08:43 AM   #1
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I thought religion didn't belong in school

wonder where the aclu would come down on this?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/0...-the-beginning

The purported assignment came from the young girl’s social studies class, and included a page that required the students to copy the Islamic faith declaration in calligraphy.

According to The Christian Post, “the packet went into detail about the history of Islam, the prophet Muhammad, and the five pillars of the religion.”

Penkoski, however, was most perturbed by the notion that the children were instructed to write the Arabic form of the Shahada.

The Shahada is the Islamic profession of faith, which roughly translates to, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”
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wonder where the aclu would come down on this?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/0...-the-beginning

The purported assignment came from the young girl’s social studies class, and included a page that required the students to copy the Islamic faith declaration in calligraphy.

According to The Christian Post, “the packet went into detail about the history of Islam, the prophet Muhammad, and the five pillars of the religion.”

Penkoski, however, was most perturbed by the notion that the children were instructed to write the Arabic form of the Shahada.

The Shahada is the Islamic profession of faith, which roughly translates to, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”


There is nothing wrong with teaching world religions. IN fact, it's a great idea. Religion CAN be taught in school. Students can pray IN school. Students can read the Bible/Koran/Torah in school. Students are welcome to say grace before their meals IN SCHOOL. WHAT cannot be done is TEACHER LED religious activities! If religion is taught in public school then many religions (World Religions) must be taught. Educators are not permitted to teach ONE religion (such as Christianity) OVER another.

AND if the assignment was NOT required, then what's the problem?

I really don't get the whole calligraphy assignment except that maybe the artistically-inclined students would enjoy the challenge and beauty of the calligraphy??
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more right wing snowflake-ism and whatabout-ism

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There is nothing wrong with teaching world religions. IN fact, it's a great idea. Religion CAN be taught in school. Students can pray IN school. Students can read the Bible/Koran/Torah in school. Students are welcome to say grace before their meals IN SCHOOL. WHAT cannot be done is TEACHER LED religious activities! If religion is taught in public school then many religions (World Religions) must be taught. Educators are not permitted to teach ONE religion (such as Christianity) OVER another.

AND if the assignment was NOT required, then what's the problem?

I really don't get the whole calligraphy assignment except that maybe the artistically-inclined students would enjoy the challenge and beauty of the calligraphy??
Non sense this was require
and included a page that required the students to copy the Islamic faith declaration in calligraphy.
Not one Christian student could do the assignment based on the Bible.

and included a page that required the students to copy the Islamic faith declaration in calligraphy.

Joshua 23:7
so that you will not associate with these nations, these which remain among you, or mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them.
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more right wing snowflake-ism and whatabout-ism

If you do not spend equal time on Christianity, then don't teach any.
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There is nothing wrong with teaching world religions. IN fact, it's a great idea. Religion CAN be taught in school. Students can pray IN school. Students can read the Bible/Koran/Torah in school. Students are welcome to say grace before their meals IN SCHOOL. WHAT cannot be done is TEACHER LED religious activities! If religion is taught in public school then many religions (World Religions) must be taught. Educators are not permitted to teach ONE religion (such as Christianity) OVER another.

AND if the assignment was NOT required, then what's the problem?

I really don't get the whole calligraphy assignment except that maybe the artistically-inclined students would enjoy the challenge and beauty of the calligraphy??
The issue with teaching world religions is that it inevitably avoids actually studying them, and only glazes over their own self-descriptions. For the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, where is the acknowledgement that all three are based off of a Bronze Age wanderer who heard the voice of his peoples' War God call for the sacrifice of his own child. What about Judaism, with one of its basic tenets being child sexual mutilation in the form of circumcision? Where is the acknowledgement that Christianity was spread throughout Northern Europe by the sword? Almost 5,000 Saxons were slaughtered by the King Charlemagne at Verden for remaining true to the faith of their ancestors. Or perhaps where is the acknowledgement of Christianity's call for breaking all familial and ancestral bonds, and instead advocating for a perverse form of individualism, based upon the apocalyptic ramblings of a preacher who would have been derided as a lunatic in this day and age, and in fact was such a rebellious upstart that he found himself lashed to a cross? Where is the acknowledgement that Islam, too, was spread by the sword, as evidenced by its own holy book. The Prophet Muhammad was kicked out of Mecca for being a delusional schizophrenic, and came back with an army and slaughtered the whole lot of them.

I've gone through these world religion classes and in my experience they avoid these entirely and instead try to deal with these sanitized versions of the religion, not even actually talking about what is professed in their books. Nothing I've stated above is a new revelation to anyone who has studied these religions, but there's no reason why we can't teach our children the error of the Abrahamic religions, which have taken over the best and brightest and corrupted their minds with a virus, like a computer infected with malware.

The reason for this, really, is because the Abrahamic religions are institutionalized in the West and even in the Middle East. For thousands of years this virus has infected the noble peoples of the world, and it prevents (even subconsciously) criticism in a true sense. If one is going to teach the religion, you must teach its flaws and not be a coward about it. This was my issue in school, because the teacher that I had (who was teaching from a curriculum agreed to by the Commonwealth) was not willing to go this extra mile and actually investigate these religions' claims.

And, to get to my point, I wonder if they are even allowed to openly and without fear investigate these religions. I very much doubt it.
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Are the children made aware that reciting the shahada 3 times in front of witnesses makes you a Moslem convert and subject to the death penalty for apostasy if you recant?
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There is nothing wrong with teaching world religions. IN fact, it's a great idea. Religion CAN be taught in school. Students can pray IN school. Students can read the Bible/Koran/Torah in school. Students are welcome to say grace before their meals IN SCHOOL. WHAT cannot be done is TEACHER LED religious activities! If religion is taught in public school then many religions (World Religions) must be taught. Educators are not permitted to teach ONE religion (such as Christianity) OVER another.

AND if the assignment was NOT required, then what's the problem?

I really don't get the whole calligraphy assignment except that maybe the artistically-inclined students would enjoy the challenge and beauty of the calligraphy??


This isn't teaching ABOUT the religion, This isn't even celebrating the culture of the religion.

THIS IS FORCING STUDENTS TO WRITE A PROFESSION OF FAITH..

This is no different than forcing students to say the "sinners prayer"

where they profess Jesus Christ as the one True God and Savior
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