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Old May 24th, 2018, 08:02 AM   #41
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Ghaddafi supported terrorists who killed hundreds of Americans.
Making him dead was the right thing to do.
No it wasn't! And the notion of reigning supreme over the world after the breakup of the Soviet Union, and deciding which countries should be subject to regime change/while which despots make useful allies is producing more and more blowback each year.

America has made many deals with vile despots like the Sauds and their Gulf allies...who btw are the primary sponsors of terrorist groups. And if you follow the trail of breadcrumbs from Afghanistan through Sudan, Somalia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Libya and Syria, there is no other possible conclusion to make other than the CIA and US Government at large have been part of the process with the Sauds to recruit, train and even transport TERRORISTS to various warzones in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. The situation in Syria for the past 7 years is the CIA moving in to seize the opportunity to overthrow an unwanted dictator during a period of unrest...at least in Syria's major city of Damascus...there was never any conclusive evidence offered to show that the revolt extended past the capital city and the Kurdish zones to the east. Like Libya, the CIA and all the propagandist flunkies they've employed to foment about Assad never ever got around to mentioning the large (almost 30%) population of religious and ethnic minorities within Syria who would have been exterminated by the US/Saudi-sponsored jihadist armies! Like it or lump it, Assad is the only possible means to maintain a secular government in Syria that is not a threat to other surrounding nations...and we're learning now that this was the primary reason why Putin got tired of getting the runaround from Obama and sent weapons and small forces in to Syria to put down the Al Qaeda and ISIS groups which were closely connected with jihadists running back and forth across the borders in the Russian southern caucuses territories.

The US calling Gadaffi or any other foreign leader a sponsor of terrorists is laughable! The pot calling the kettle black!

But, what make the Clinton/Obama crimes in Libya especially egregious is that the Libya fiasco makes it impossible for any US adversary to ever trust present and future US governments to hold true to their word and written agreements! It's never mentioned in US reporting, but Libya is one of the most frequently mention objections Kim in North Korea raises to disarming its missiles and nukes....and agreement with the US Government isn't worth the paper it's written on!

America today is an empire that nobody trusts....not even America's economic and military allies, thanks to the Obama White House!
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Old May 24th, 2018, 08:16 AM   #42
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Every President since Washington has had the military engage in actions that have led to civilian casualties. Using your logic, that makes all of them war criminals. The simple fact is war is hell. There is no clean way to engage in one. Obama inherited two, ended one, and got bin laden, which was the whole point to begin with. A success by any measure for a war time President.
If that's where the trail of breadcrumbs leads, so be it! Americans need to talk to some indigenous and African American scholars like Gerald Horne and Vine DeLoria and Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz about real American history and what it's implications were for the people largely erased from the lower 48 and the army of slaves brought in to replace them and clear a continent!

Yes, Washington began as one of those cranks who instigated a revolt against the British Empire for their law disallowing American colonists from expanding their colonies further west of the Mississippi River. The Brits determined that the costs of defending these colonies didn't justify further expansion that would further cost the already overburdened British Empire.
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Are you having a bad day. You found fault with someone else and wrote this.

Now you find fault with me and think you should correct me. Stop being a jerk. There is that a better way to handle the discussions? What do you want to teach me what? Is the second quote a good example of how I address others?

I am sure there is a better of use my time than joining in on the bashing.

Athena, I don't think you understand some of the relationships on DTT. I don't have to have a bad day to "pick on" Sabcat. We are like "The Bickersons"--back and forth--trying to ONE UP the other one. Ask him. I think he'll agree and it's the same for others.

I find fault with all kinds of arguments, statements, political positions, etc. That's the way discussion sites work. One of the requirements of DTT is posting sources/links...particularly when it's an outrageous statement.

You are free to address others any way you please. If you don't want to bash--DON'T bash. If you want to keep telling everyone to be civil...go for it. Just don't expect it to happen. In all the years I've posted I've never seen it happen--on any site.
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Old May 24th, 2018, 09:15 AM   #44
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What direction was that? And where is Trump taking us? He is bought by dictators and 66% of Americans make $40,000 or less a year. What is he doing about that? Oh, he's not. That's right. He's too busy running up unconstitutional ways to stop the investigation of his crimes.
Loss of jobs, weak military, massive trade deficits, stagnate wages, and overregulation are just a few of the issues that are attributable to Obimbo. And the frosting on the cake was his ridiculous Obimbo-care.
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Oliver Jones? The guys a joke. It's as though the Left is hoping Trump fails in the negotiations with NK. It doesn't matter that it's good for us and the world. It only matters to the Left that Trump fails.
The left doesn't need to worry about fucking up the negotiations with Kim.

Trump already did.

Do they give a Nobel for destroying whatever bit of integrity this nation has left?
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Oliver Jones? The guys a joke. It's as though the Left is hoping Trump fails in the negotiations with NK. It doesn't matter that it's good for us and the world. It only matters to the Left that Trump fails.


TRUMP HAS FAILED in the negotiations with NK. It's over. Kaput.

You believed Trump's promises and continue to believe him, which is absolutely astonishing since everything that comes out of his mouth is either a LIE or an exaggeration.

Consider how you wanted Obama to FAIL and YOUR TEAM, including drug-addicted Rush the Lush, crowed about it.

"What is so strange about being honest about saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? Why would I want that to succeed?" 2009

AND Mitch McConnell: ‘My number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.’

At a time when this country was on the brink of disaster--a national crisis, the GOP was cheering for failure. AND more failure. Your party hated Obama (and still does) more than you cared for your country......
SO, don't be coming on this board weeping and wailing about how WE (Trump's rivals) wants HIM to fail. Obama handed Trump a recovered economy, a low unemployment rate, a rising stock market, home sales thriving, low-interest rates and much more.
You should be saying a prayer of THANKS that Obama and his advisors made the right decisions at the right time because one thing's for sure.
Trump wouldn't have had a CLUE about saving this country from disaster. All he's interested in is adoration.
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TRUMP HAS FAILED in the negotiations with NK. It's over. Kaput.

You believed Trump's promises and continue to believe him, which is absolutely astonishing since everything that comes out of his mouth is either a LIE or an exaggeration.

Consider how you wanted Obama to FAIL and YOUR TEAM, including drug-addicted Rush the Lush, crowed about it.

"What is so strange about being honest about saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? Why would I want that to succeed?" 2009

AND Mitch McConnell: ‘My number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.’

At a time when this country was on the brink of disaster--a national crisis, the GOP was cheering for failure. AND more failure. Your party hated Obama (and still does) more than you cared for your country......
SO, don't be coming on this board weeping and wailing about how WE (Trump's rivals) wants HIM to fail. Obama handed Trump a recovered economy, a low unemployment rate, a rising stock market, home sales thriving, low-interest rates and much more.
You should be saying a prayer of THANKS that Obama and his advisors made the right decisions at the right time because one thing's for sure.
Trump wouldn't have had a CLUE about saving this country from disaster. All he's interested in is adoration.
Vice minister of foreign affairs, Choe Son-hui, issued a statement saying North Korea was just as ready to meet in a nuclear confrontation as at the negotiating table. By removing us from negotiations, Trump has put himself in charge of further negotiations.
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Vice minister of foreign affairs, Choe Son-hui, issued a statement saying North Korea was just as ready to meet in a nuclear confrontation as at the negotiating table. By removing us from negotiations, Trump has put himself in charge of further negotiations.
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Dream on.
The leader of North Korea was posturing to gain distinct advantage at the negotiations with the use of nuclear threats. Trump, by cancelling the negotiations has effectively told N. Korea that we will not be subject to their threats.
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The left doesn't need to worry about fucking up the negotiations with Kim.

Trump already did.

Do they give a Nobel for destroying whatever bit of integrity this nation has left?
So, Trump has moved away from the "bend-over" tactics of Obimbo?
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