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Old June 10th, 2018, 12:40 PM   #51
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Considering this country's inception it is astounding to me that so many of our self-proclaimed PATRIOTS absolutely HATE protests and protestors. These "patriots" are the same people who drool over the framers and the constitution. These are the same loyalists who claim to know more than all the generals about our history, our culture, our laws, our court systems and our government but.....

They absolutely despise protestors--of all shapes and sizes. They hate our high school/Gen Z protestors so much that leaders of these protests have received death threats. They hate COLLEGE protestors now, labeling students as "snowflakes" and calling out universities as being "bad" for our country...all those highly educated professors spreading Commie propaganda. They are stymied by the #metoo movement and the women's marches. They were appalled at the Black Lives Matter protests, are now revolted at the NFL (and won't watch). They support a president who seems to think White Supremacists are "very fine people".
These very same flag-wavers objected to war protests & civil rights protests (although NOW they will tell you they supported them). They were LIVID when protests erupted over Reagan's firing of 12,000 air traffic controllers who went on strike and in 1982 when over a million people protested nuclear weapons.
OH THE OUTRAGE!! The March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay, and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation ó April 25, 1993.

Why?

HOW did we the people become a nation? HOW? HOW DID IT EVOLVE? Did the colonists protest? Did they break laws? Smuggle goods? Taunt King George? Did they give public speeches, print/distribute propaganda, intimidate British soldiers? Did they attack guards like in the Boston Massacre?
Did the colonists boycott and attack East Indian tea distributors and throw the tea in Boston harbor? AND then--the GALL--did they form their own government and create their own nation via VIOLENCE--aka: WAR??

I simply cannot abide hypocrisy. We either support civil disobedience or we don't. We either defend protests and protestors or we don't. We either understand our first amendment rights or we don't. Why do you suppose THIS is our FIRST *FIRST* amendment?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Here's the thing, whose protest is more legitimate, for example: BLM or The Tea Party? Or are they of equal value?
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Old June 10th, 2018, 12:43 PM   #52
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Here's the thing, whose protest is more legitimate, for example: BLM or The Tea Party? Or are they of equal value?
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Judging the value is a very subjective thing. That they both have a right to protest, within the bounds of the law, is cut and dried.
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Judging the value is a very subjective thing. That they both have a right to protest, within the bounds of the law, is cut and dried.
BLM is a racist hate group. The Tea Party is a patriotic group. Yes, they both have the right to protest, but only one of them destroys property. Moron.
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Clara's rant has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.... The 1st amendment protects the people from the GOVERNMENT prohibiting free speech....Not individual citizens....Like the NFL owners....They have every right to protect their brand by banning kneeling during the National Anthem...

Now is taking a knee" offensive or disrespectful??.....In today's world of tender snowflakes it is extremely easy to innocently offend some whiny special interest group and have no intention of deliberately intending to do it.. Clara and others on here practice reading Trump's mind all the time....according to them he is always somehow offending blacks or gays or Muslims even though they have to go through some gymnastics to get his words or deeds to mean what they claim he does....

Same here....Although "taking a knee" is now claimed to be not disrespectful of the colors, but is a protest against police using excessive force on blacks, that does not change the fact that that action is offensive to those who served that flag....

Now how to fix the problem...Don't watch the friggin football game if it offends you (it does me and I won't watch)... But is that effective??... No... Why not??...because the idiot football player's obscene salary comes, in large part, from cable television.... I might boycott the game, but I am still forced to subsidize the maggot's disrespect when I pay my cable bill.... Solution??.. Pass a law that allows me to opt out of paying my cable provider for ESPN or FOX sports... Then see how fast the NFL owners put a stop to "taking a Knee"
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Clara's rant has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.... The 1st amendment protects the people from the GOVERNMENT prohibiting free speech....Not individual citizens....Like the NFL owners....They have every right to protect their brand by banning kneeling during the National Anthem...

Now is taking a knee" offensive or disrespectful??.....In today's world of tender snowflakes it is extremely easy to innocently offend some whiny special interest group and have no intention of deliberately intending to do it.. Clara and others on here practice reading Trump's mind all the time....according to them he is always somehow offending blacks or gays or Muslims even though they have to go through some gymnastics to get his words or deeds to mean what they claim he does....

Same here....Although "taking a knee" is now claimed to be not disrespectful of the colors, but is a protest against police using excessive force on blacks, that does not change the fact that that action is offensive to those who served that flag....

Now how to fix the problem...Don't watch the friggin football game if it offends you (it does me and I won't watch)... But is that effective??... No... Why not??...because the idiot football player's obscene salary comes, in large part, from cable television.... I might boycott the game, but I am still forced to subsidize the maggot's disrespect when I pay my cable bill.... Solution??.. Pass a law that allows me to opt out of paying my cable provider for ESPN or FOX sports... Then see how fast the NFL owners put a stop to "taking a Knee"
i served the flag and I donít find the action of taking a knee offensive at all. I served in the military to PROTECT the right of these people to protest.
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I understand why it seems hypocritical to oppose the protests we see in the news today, but it isn't that people object to protesting, it's that they object to the false premises that the protests are predicated on.

You are 100% correct that Americans have a right to protest and protesting the flag is not an exception. However, I believe what offends some people about protesting the flag is that it is like convicting an innocent man of a crime he didn't commit. It's a matter of perspective. The Flag is not the perpetrator and of course, I am not saying the protesters are mad at the flag itself, but what they BELIEVE the flag represents.

Contrary to some of the statements here about what the flag represents, it is NOT about the soldiers who fought and died for this country- any more than it is about the tyrannical government that flies it during wartime.

The Flag is a symbol of the Founding principles of freedom and liberty. To protest it is like saying that you oppose freedom. It represents the PRINCIPLES of what America is supposed to be- NOT everything that is wrong about it.

As for why 'patriots' don't like protesters and their protests, it is because the majority, if not all of the protests in the past decade that you see in the media, are disingenuous and based on misinformation.

I can name a bunch, probably all of them and why they have caused more harm than good in this country, which is why Americans despise them. None of them have accomplished anything, even gay marriage was a nothingburger when it comes to actual outcome.

When people protest on false premises or their movement is ignorant of reality (ie; contrary to facts and stats), they do not solve anything more than create hostility and resentment. When there are already laws in place that are intended to deliver the outcome a protest is seeking, the protest is seen as frivolous. When people act the way they do at modern protests, the protests are seen as anarchy and chaos more than a genuine desire to accomplish something that is legitimately justifiable.

To put it simple and answer your question, people despise the protests because they know they are based in BS. People know that the inspiration of those protests are based in misinformation that is propagated by the media, with very little or no personal verification for truth.

The premises of the majority of protests in the last decade have been debunked soundly on numerous occasions, but the people who 'organize' them have an agenda, which relies on the ignorance of the participants.
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BLM is a racist hate group. The Tea Party is a patriotic group. Yes, they both have the right to protest, but only one of them destroys property. Moron.


Only one of them destroys property? What do you call 45 tons of tea? Worth (in today's dollars) $1million?

That's not property?
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Who are all very, very easily replaceable. That is the biggest mistake an employee can make is not to realize this. There are a dozen people around the cornor waiting for their job.
Iím sure there are hundreds of people who would LOVE to have their job. How many of them can actually DO it as well?
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BLM is a racist hate group. The Tea Party is a patriotic group. Yes, they both have the right to protest, but only one of them destroys property. Moron.
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I understand why it seems hypocritical to oppose the protests we see in the news today, but it isn't that people object to protesting, it's that they object to the false premises that the protests are predicated on.

You are 100% correct that Americans have a right to protest and protesting the flag is not an exception. However, I believe what offends some people about protesting the flag is that it is like convicting an innocent man of a crime he didn't commit. It's a matter of perspective. The Flag is not the perpetrator and of course, I am not saying the protesters are mad at the flag itself, but what they BELIEVE the flag represents.

Contrary to some of the statements here about what the flag represents, it is NOT about the soldiers who fought and died for this country- any more than it is about the tyrannical government that flies it during wartime.

The Flag is a symbol of the Founding principles of freedom and liberty. To protest it is like saying that you oppose freedom. It represents the PRINCIPLES of what America is supposed to be- NOT everything that is wrong about it.

As for why 'patriots' don't like protesters and their protests, it is because the majority, if not all of the protests in the past decade that you see in the media, are disingenuous and based on misinformation.

I can name a bunch, probably all of them and why they have caused more harm than good in this country, which is why Americans despise them. None of them have accomplished anything, even gay marriage was a nothingburger when it comes to actual outcome.

When people protest on false premises or their movement is ignorant of reality (ie; contrary to facts and stats), they do not solve anything more than create hostility and resentment. When there are already laws in place that are intended to deliver the outcome a protest is seeking, the protest is seen as frivolous. When people act the way they do at modern protests, the protests are seen as anarchy and chaos more than a genuine desire to accomplish something that is legitimately justifiable.

To put it simple and answer your question, people despise the protests because they know they are based in BS. People know that the inspiration of those protests are based in misinformation that is propagated by the media, with very little or no personal verification for truth.

The premises of the majority of protests in the last decade have been debunked soundly on numerous occasions, but the people who 'organize' them have an agenda, which relies on the ignorance of the participants.
So police killing unarmed minorities is BS and not based in fact?
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