Political Forums  

Go Back   Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Current Events

Current Events Current Events Forum - Latest political news and events


Thanks Tree14Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old June 12th, 2018, 10:39 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Chicago
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by right to left View Post
Sorry to hear about this, and again I'm wondering what sort of place is America turning into today???? But, I got to say, if you're implying your sister should have failed some sort of litmus test and should not have been given aid; you're giving the state the power to misapply the same litmus tests to deny financial aid to your daughter.

I live in a neighbourhood that is largely new immigrant and welfare recipients, and it's easy to point fingers at the single moms and mentally disabled(often self-inflicted drug and alcohol abuse) and demand "what's wrong with you" and say "you get nothing unless you work for it," at people who pretty much have been unemployable through most if not all their lives, but, I don't give a crap what or how they have ended up where they are...sometimes it's people who just haven't been able to handle life as well as others....and that begs the question: were there events and situations early in your life that you struggled through that your sister was not able to cope with?

I don't give a crap if it means I have to pay higher taxes (cause wealthier people can dodge them), I want to live in a society where nobody falls through the cracks...and that doesn't even describe Canada anymore...let alone America!
Trust me, you guys do a much better job than we do.
Thanks from right to left
leekohler2 is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 11:01 AM   #12
end capitalism now
 
right to left's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,597
Quote:
Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
Trust me, you guys do a much better job than we do.
Thanks, but we are on the same slide the US has been on....we're just 10 or so years behind you guys, that's all!
right to left is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 11:20 AM   #13
PragmaticBastard
 
GluteusMaximus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: USA
Posts: 413
Quote:
Originally Posted by webguy4 View Post
I donít have first hand experience but Iíve heard that almost all disability claims are turned down the first time. Get a lawyer and try again.
That's pretty much a fact. All disability claims are denied the first time.
GluteusMaximus is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 11:32 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Kate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by right to left View Post
Sorry to hear about this, and again I'm wondering what sort of place is America turning into today???? But, I got to say, if you're implying your sister should have failed some sort of litmus test and should not have been given aid; you're giving the state the power to misapply the same litmus tests to deny financial aid to your daughter.

I live in a neighbourhood that is largely new immigrant and welfare recipients, and it's easy to point fingers at the single moms and mentally disabled(often self-inflicted drug and alcohol abuse) and demand "what's wrong with you" and say "you get nothing unless you work for it," at people who pretty much have been unemployable through most if not all their lives, but, I don't give a crap what or how they have ended up where they are...sometimes it's people who just haven't been able to handle life as well as others....and that begs the question: were there events and situations early in your life that you struggled through that your sister was not able to cope with?

I don't give a crap if it means I have to pay higher taxes (cause wealthier people can dodge them), I want to live in a society where nobody falls through the cracks...and that doesn't even describe Canada anymore...let alone America!
I appreciate your concern for others, and perhaps if she weren't my sister, and i didn't know her the way i do, i might look at it that way. But given the insight, No. And everyone else is to blame.

I work, I've raised 3 girls, and holy shit, that can be enough to drive one insane. Add disability, and teenage rebellion...it's a wonder I'm still married to their father. Still sane. Not on drugs. Not an alcoholic, (although for a short spell) Point is, there is no point. We'll make due. We always have. I guess that's the difference in a nutshell. We rely on ourselves, always have, always will..
Thanks from webguy4 and right to left
Kate is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 12:06 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Chicago
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by right to left View Post
Thanks, but we are on the same slide the US has been on....we're just 10 or so years behind you guys, that's all!
No, believe me- I visit Canada a lot and you guys have a much better system,especially your job retraining programs in Ontario. Don't give up your safety nets, you'll regret it.
leekohler2 is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 02:16 PM   #16
#freetommy
 
Sabcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Earth
Posts: 27,108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
My daughter, who has multiple disabilities, was denied supplemental disability because she does not have enough work credits. Hasn't paid into social security. WTF?!
But my sister, who has made poor choice after poor choice, has housing, health insurance, disability, home care, and food stamps.

We've never asked for a dime for our daughter, but we're getting older and want to know she'll be able to get help, so much for that!

Talk about frustration!!
There are ways to get it accomplished. I know a number of people who were convinced to get SS disability due to addiction. They were in residential treatment and the free state cash was drying up.and the treatment centers knew the work arounds. These were completely healthy people. Just junkies and drunks. The point being that it is possible but takes time and maybe connections. I would contact the local chapter of whatever is her prevalent disability. (Say its blindness there should be like the kingsfield people for the blind or some shit) non proffits are excellent at extracting taxpayer dollars from the state and that is their main business.
Sabcat is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 03:33 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Bookworm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,780
Quote:
Originally Posted by GluteusMaximus View Post
That's pretty much a fact. All disability claims are denied the first time.
My daughter's claim was granted without being denied the first time. She moved out on her own at 18 and worked at fast food places and a gas station for 5 years. She then developed a herniated disc in her neck that caused permanent spinal cord damage and has been unable to work for the past 7 years. I'm not sure what would have happened if she hadn't had work credits, but her claim for disability was accepted without any denials.
Bookworm is offline  
Old June 12th, 2018, 05:36 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 11,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
I was hoping for something a little less partisan. But, my sister sure loves Obama.

Actually, I wondered if I was going in the right direction, or is there something other than social security?
In Massachusetts there is the Department of Developmental Services, that covers people who were disabled before they were 18.
Maybe Colorado has something like that?
Thanks from Kate
goober is offline  
Old June 13th, 2018, 11:36 AM   #19
end capitalism now
 
right to left's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,597
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
I appreciate your concern for others, and perhaps if she weren't my sister, and i didn't know her the way i do, i might look at it that way. But given the insight, No. And everyone else is to blame.

I work, I've raised 3 girls, and holy shit, that can be enough to drive one insane. Add disability, and teenage rebellion...it's a wonder I'm still married to their father. Still sane. Not on drugs. Not an alcoholic, (although for a short spell) Point is, there is no point. We'll make due. We always have. I guess that's the difference in a nutshell. We rely on ourselves, always have, always will..
And what if you weren't able to work? It may seem plainly obvious to you that your daughter deserves a disability pension while your sister does not, but that's the price you pay when you invite the state to come in and apply these kinds of ruthless merit tests and do not assume the consequences of their actions....adding to the growing homeless population for example!

Some mental or psychiatric disabilities are very hard to diagnose and you can say: 'that's someone with no self-control' or needs to work. So, how do you explain people who just crash for no drug or outwardly apparent reasons? It does happen...I know of a few cases myself, and up here I recall a famous example in particular that grabbed attention: a 55 year old homeless man who died on the streets of downtown Toronto, and when his identity was looked into it was discovered that he had been a former editor of the Winnipeg Free Press newspaper before he crashed and spiraled downward. The rat race doesn't work for everyone!
right to left is offline  
Old June 13th, 2018, 12:10 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Chicago
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabcat View Post
There are ways to get it accomplished. I know a number of people who were convinced to get SS disability due to addiction. They were in residential treatment and the free state cash was drying up.and the treatment centers knew the work arounds. These were completely healthy people. Just junkies and drunks. The point being that it is possible but takes time and maybe connections. I would contact the local chapter of whatever is her prevalent disability. (Say its blindness there should be like the kingsfield people for the blind or some shit) non proffits are excellent at extracting taxpayer dollars from the state and that is their main business.
Those aren't completely healthy people.
leekohler2 is offline  
Reply

  Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Current Events

Tags
blind, born, denied, disability, twenty, year



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My world top twenty Kipper Warfare 22 July 23rd, 2017 05:54 AM
10-Year-Old Rape Victim Denied Abortion: The Horrific Realities of Abortion Bans LongWinded Abortion 32 December 7th, 2015 01:02 PM
77-Year-Old Blind Man Calls 911 for Help, Cop Shows Up, Beats & Arrests LongWinded Current Events 13 November 3rd, 2015 09:18 AM
Twenty-Three Consecutive Months Of Above Normal Antarctic Sea Ice Uncle Han Current Events 1 October 22nd, 2013 08:13 AM
Twenty-One Ways You Might Be an Evangelical Mrs. CJ Parker Other Religions 0 May 24th, 2013 03:16 AM


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2013 Defending The Truth. All rights reserved.