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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:08 AM   #1
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Full Text of Trump/Kim Signed Agreement

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1.The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
2.The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
3.Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula
4.The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ent/index.html
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:10 AM   #2
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:14 AM   #3
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Trump got played like the moron he is. He gave validation to the worst dictator on Earth, was too gutless to bring up human rights, and canceled the wargames with South Korea, reducing readiness in case a war does break out in Korea.

Here's how it'll play out: Kim will promise to end his nuke program in return for economic aid. Trump will promise to economically prop up North Korea. Meanwhile North Korea will continue expanding and improving their nuclear research like they did every other time we made agreements with them like this. But the Trumpanzee halfwits will crow that it's a major diplomatic achievement.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:15 AM   #4
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I was going to start a thread with this article, but it fits here.

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Trump really has achieved a historic breakthrough –
for the Kim dynasty

With a shake of the hand, the US president has tightened Kim Jong-un’s grip
over an enslaved nation – and got almost nothing in return


A useful way to test the deal Donald Trump has reached with Kim Jong-un is to imagine what Trump himself would have said had it been Barack Obama rather than him who shook hands with the North Korean dictator. Trump and his echo chamber on Fox News and elsewhere would have poured buckets of derision on Obama for the piece of paper he signed with Kim, for the fawning praise he lavished on a brutal tyrant, and for the paltry non-concessions he got in return. He would have branded the agreement a “horrible deal” and condemned Obama as a sucker for signing it.

Look first at what Kim got from the encounter. Once ostracised as a pariah, Kim was treated as a world statesman on a par with the president of the United States, the two meeting on equal terms, right down to the equal numbers of flags behind them as they shook hands. The tyrant now has a showreel of images – including his walkabout in Singapore, where he was mobbed by what the BBC called “fans” seeking selfies – which will feature in propaganda videos for months, if not years.

What’s more, Trump lauded Kim as “a very talented man … who loves his country very much,” a man the US president admired for his ability to take over North Korea at such a young age and to “run it tough”, as he put it in a later press conference. There was not so much as even a rote condemnation of the brutality of the Kim regime – indeed Trump reserved the word “regime” for the Clinton administration of the 1990s. And when asked if he had even mentioned human rights in their talks, he said it had only been discussed “briefly”. The harshest words he had for a country that starved its own people in a famine that cost up to three million lives, were: “It’s a rough situation there … it’s rough in a lot of places by the way.”

So Kim leaves Singapore having gained much of the international legitimacy the dynastic dictatorship has sought for decades. But the gifts from Trump did not end there. He also announced an end to US military exercises in the Korean peninsula – the “war games” which he said were costly and, deploying language Pyongyang itself might have used, “very provocative”. Trump also hinted at an eventual withdrawal of the 28,000 US troops stationed in the Korean peninsula.

And what did Kim give Trump in return for this bulging bag of goodies? The key concession, the one Trump repeatedly invoked, was a promise of “complete denuclearisation”. Trump held this aloft as if it were a North Korean commitment to dismantle its arsenal, with work beginning right away. To be sure, such a commitment would be a major prize, one that would merit all the congratulation a beaming Trump was heaping on himself. But this is where you need to look at the small print.

First, the text itself says merely: “The DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.” Kim has promised not “complete denuclearisation” but simply “to work toward” that end. Negotiators the world over know is the fudging language you use when you’ve extracted something less than a real commitment. Kim has offered only an aspiration, with no deadline or timetable, not a concrete plan.
More: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ea-kim-jong-un
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:20 AM   #5
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So is this the new pathway for murderous dictators?

Build a nuclear arsenal, threaten the US with it, and then have the US president fawn over your future promise to "denuclearize?"

Will Kim continue using anti-aircraft guns to execute his political rivals?
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So is this the new pathway for murderous dictators?

Build a nuclear arsenal, threaten the US with it, and then have the US president fawn over your future promise to "denuclearize?"

Will Kim continue using anti-aircraft guns to execute his political rivals?
This is the world Reagan warned us about. And yet, we did nothing. Why? Because we believed in the good intentions of bad characters perhaps? Or maybe our politics got in the way?

So, what do we do now that the options come down to war and peace?

Aside from daily biases being a part of the reason we're in the mess we're in, i see no other solution other han these two.

This is why domestic politics use o stop at the border.
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So is this the new pathway for murderous dictators?

Build a nuclear arsenal, threaten the US with it, and then have the US president fawn over your future promise to "denuclearize?"

Will Kim continue using anti-aircraft guns to execute his political rivals?


But what a great photo op, eh??

Here is some of what's missing--from The Guardian:

No specific commitments by North Korea.
No commitment to inspections or verification.
No commitment to interim steps along the path to denuclearization.
Thereís not even a commitment to continue a freeze on nuclear and missile testing.
No dates.
No timetable.
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This is the world Reagan warned us about. And yet, we did nothing. Why? Because we believed in the good intentions of bad characters perhaps? Or maybe our politics got in the way?

So, what do we do now that the options come down to war and peace?

Aside from daily biases being a part of the reason we're in the mess we're in, i see no other solution other han these two.

This is why domestic politics use o stop at the border.
So what do you suggest? Bomb North Korea?
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But what a great photo op, eh??

Here is some of what's missing--from The Guardian:

No specific commitments by North Korea.
No commitment to inspections or verification.
No commitment to interim steps along the path to denuclearization.
Thereís not even a commitment to continue a freeze on nuclear and missile testing.
No dates.
No timetable.
It went exactly as predicted.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:39 AM   #10
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This is the world Reagan warned us about. And yet, we did nothing. Why? Because we believed in the good intentions of bad characters perhaps? Or maybe our politics got in the way?

So, what do we do now that the options come down to war and peace?

Aside from daily biases being a part of the reason we're in the mess we're in, i see no other solution other han these two.

This is why domestic politics use o stop at the border.
In the case of NK, ignoring Kim was an option. So he built a functional nuke. BFD.

So he built a long range Scud missile. BFD.

So he threatens the US with his nukes and long-range Scuds. BFD.

Instant annihilation is what Kim would face if he attacked the US.

Third option: Ignore the MF.
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