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Old June 12th, 2018, 06:19 PM   #21
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Are you suggesting the the greatest negotiator in history, got swindled?

North Korea agreed it is committed to denuclearization of the Korean Penninsula, which has been it's stated position for decades.
Trump has elevated the stature of Kim, agreed to halt joint exercises with South Korea, and picked up the tab.

I'll bet Kim ordered lobster....
What did you expect, him to publicly slander him right before the meeting?


You don't think that if lil kim can be convinced that tourism can be very lucrative for him that it would be beneficial to the entire world if NK allowed the market to take hold of them? Especially if he already destroyed his nuclear capabilities. He could save face internationally by saying that he was giving it up and allowing tourism to start on their shores as the future of their economy. NK sits on a lot of bad ass resorces if they can step out of the dark ages of socialism there may be a positive momentum for their nation.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 06:29 PM   #22
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What did you expect, him to publicly slander him right before the meeting?


You don't think that if lil kim can be convinced that tourism can be very lucrative for him that it would be beneficial to the entire world if NK allowed the market to take hold of them? Especially if he already destroyed his nuclear capabilities. He could save face internationally by saying that he was giving it up and allowing tourism to start on their shores as the future of their economy. NK sits on a lot of bad ass resorces if they can step out of the dark ages of socialism there may be a positive momentum for their nation.
So all possibility, no need to worry, substance will follow, the guy who went bankrupt 6 times knows how to sniff out a deal in 10 seconds.

Trump didn't want Kim to say "NO" so he didn't ask him for anything.
This was for domestic consumption, there's no deal.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 06:33 PM   #23
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So all possibility, no need to worry, substance will follow, the guy who went bankrupt 6 times knows how to sniff out a deal in 10 seconds.

Trump didn't want Kim to say "NO" so he didn't ask him for anything.
This was for domestic consumption, there's no deal.
Ok goober, sure thing buddy. Very insightful. Thanks.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:02 PM   #24
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What did you expect, him to publicly slander him right before the meeting?


You don't think that if lil kim can be convinced that tourism can be very lucrative for him that it would be beneficial to the entire world if NK allowed the market to take hold of them? Especially if he already destroyed his nuclear capabilities. He could save face internationally by saying that he was giving it up and allowing tourism to start on their shores as the future of their economy. NK sits on a lot of bad ass resorces if they can step out of the dark ages of socialism there may be a positive momentum for their nation.
You just hit on a lot of the reasons we care in the first place-resources.

First of all, NK is not communist or socialist, it is a dictatorship.

Secondly, do you think for one second that we or someone next door, would not invade NK if they give up their nukes? If you do, you're a fool.

Why do you think we wanted Libya and Iraq to give up nukes, so we could trade fairly with them? You're not that naive, I hope.

Once they gave in, in we went. And we made a huge mess. Now you want to do it again.

I'm sorry, but not with my tax dollars. The right does not get to do this again. I'm sorry, but NEVER AGAIN. This stops now.

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Old June 12th, 2018, 07:18 PM   #25
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You just hit on a lot of the reasons we care in the first place-resources.

First of all, NK is not communist or socialist, it is a dictatorship.

Secondly, do you think for one second that we or someone next door, would not invade NK if they give up their nukes? If you do, you're a fool.

Why do you think we wanted Libya and Iraq to give up nukes, so we could trade fairly with them? You're not that naive, I hope.

Once they gave in, in we went. And we made a huge mess. Now you want to do it again.

I'm sorry, but not with my tax dollars. The right does not get to do this again. I'm sorry, but NEVER AGAIN. This stops now.


Would you please explain how a "dictatorship" economic system works?
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He didn't give legitimacy to a cold-blooded dictator who has uncles and half-brothers executed brutally.

He didn't say it was "an honor" to meet a cold-blooded dictator who has uncles and half-brothers executed brutally.

He didn't note that Kim has "a great personality" or that he's" very smart," nor remark that's a "good combination.”

Clinton didn't declare Kim to be, "a very talented man," “a worthy negotiator … a very worthy, very smart negotiator,” or point out that "he loves his country very much.”

He definitely didn't declare, "I do trust him, yeah. … He trusts me, I believe, I really do.”

In fact, no one in their right mind would make those comments about Kim.

I see a Trump tower in North Korea, on the ocean, with a world-class golf course.
Are we talking about the Castro brothers?
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Old June 13th, 2018, 12:56 AM   #27
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Trump Was Outfoxed in Singapore

By Nicholas Kristof

Opinion Columnist

June 12, 2018


It sure looks as if President Trump was hoodwinked in Singapore.

Trump made a huge concession — the suspension of military exercises with South Korea. That’s on top of the broader concession of the summit meeting itself, security guarantees he gave North Korea and the legitimacy that the summit provides his counterpart, Kim Jong-un.

Within North Korea, the “very special bond” that Trump claimed to have formed with Kim will be portrayed this way: Kim forced the American president, through his nuclear and missile tests, to accept North Korea as a nuclear equal, to provide security guarantees to North Korea, and to cancel war games with South Korea that the North has protested for decades.

In exchange for these concessions, Trump seems to have won astonishingly little. In a joint statement, Kim merely “reaffirmed” the same commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that North Korea has repeatedly made since 1992.

“They were willing to de-nuke,” Trump crowed at his news conference after his meetings with Kim. Trump seemed to believe he had achieved some remarkable agreement, but the concessions were all his own.

The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.

Kim seems to have completely out-negotiated Trump, and it’s scary that Trump doesn’t seem to realize this. For now Trump has much less to show than past negotiators who hammered out deals with North Korea like the 1994 Agreed Framework, which completely froze the country’s plutonium program with a rigorous monitoring system.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/o...rth-korea.html

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Ok goober, sure thing buddy. Very insightful. Thanks.
What actions did North Korea agree to do?
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Old June 13th, 2018, 03:11 AM   #29
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What are life expectancies and availability of medical treatment like in Cuba vs. NoKo? I bet you will pretend you don't know that either.
Cuba actually has a higher rated medical system than the USA last I saw! Let alone NK
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Old June 13th, 2018, 11:14 AM   #30
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The only problem is he never guaranteed that concession

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"We will be stopping the war games, which will save us a tremendous amount of money unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should," Trump said after his meeting with Kim. "But we'll be saving a tremendous amount of money. Plus, I think it's very provocative."

He also said he wants to “bring our soldiers back home” from the region, though added this is not “part of the equation right now.”
I know that does not fit your narrative of what you want to spread, but none the less there it is. Tell me what guaranteed concession you see there please.
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