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Old July 8th, 2018, 05:38 AM   #11
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Well the problem there is 60% of them ENTERED the country LEGALLY !! They walked right through immigration with their passports in hand. Got their visitors visa and simply never left.

The ONLY way to fix the problem is to A) GO AFTER THE TRAITOROUS BASTARD THAT HIRE THEM and I mean HARD with massive, bankruptcy level fines. And A simple sentence added to the exemption for diplomats ENDING the birthright citizenship.

Take away the jobs and the citizenship for their children (which is how they get the welfare benefits) and for most, there will be no reason for them to come here. Most of those here will leave, the traffic at the border will drop. Both situations will leave us with the resources needed to round up those here for criminal activities.
Yup, that they do. Now, lets make e-verify the only way people get a job here then you can ruin the traitorous basterds you refer to. Going after business in that way will make you most unpopular with the hundreds of thousands who lose their jobs because you drove their employer out of business.

I agree with the elimination of anchor babies and recinding their citizenship, deporting the families who illegally exploited them is a great way to send the message to future schemers trying to secure a place here illegally.
Problem is, Liberal politicians will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. You need to have a talk with them at reelection time.
It is good to see that your liberal friends here agree, it's a good start!!
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Yup, that they do. Now, lets make e-verify the only way people get a job here then you can ruin the traitorous basterds you refer to. Going after business in that way will make you most unpopular with the hundreds of thousands who lose their jobs because you drove their employer out of business.

I agree with the elimination of anchor babies and recinding their citizenship, deporting the families who illegally exploited them is a great way to send the message to future schemers trying to secure a place here illegally.
Problem is, Liberal politicians will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. You need to have a talk with them at reelection time.
It is good to see that your liberal friends here agree, it's a good start!!
So, you just don't want to punish CERTAIN people for breaking immigration laws. ANY significant punishment to business owners/corporations will Drive them put of business?"
Interesting mindset.

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Old July 8th, 2018, 07:16 AM   #13
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Problem is, Liberal politicians will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. You need to have a talk with them at reelection time.
Republicans are in control, nothing is being done. Republicans were in control under Bush, nothing was done.

But fools blame "liberals".
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Old July 8th, 2018, 08:37 AM   #14
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Republicans are in control, nothing is being done. Republicans were in control under Bush, nothing was done.

But fools blame "liberals".
You seem to have forgotten the 8 years of nothing happening during the Obummer admin. The shove and push nature of the issue, libs wanting to perpetuate open borders and mass infiltration of our country, conservatives wanting to stop the illegal invasion but get shot down by the libs at every turn. Neither side is going to give an inch. In the present environment TDS is putting up massive resistance to anything the conservatives want to do. If this continues nothing will get done this time either. The answer seems to be for Conservatives to achieve a 60 vote majority in the Senate, keep control of the House and just git'er done.
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You seem to have forgotten the 8 years of nothing happening during the Obummer admin. The shove and push nature of the issue, libs wanting to perpetuate open borders and mass infiltration of our country, conservatives wanting to stop the illegal invasion but get shot down by the libs at every turn. Neither side is going to give an inch. In the present environment TDS is putting up massive resistance to anything the conservatives want to do. If this continues nothing will get done this time either. The answer seems to be for Conservatives to achieve a 60 vote majority in the Senate, keep control of the House and just git'er done.
You seem to have forgotten in your haste to blame liberals for all the evils of the country that there was 8 years of obstructionism by the anti-American Repugnant Party. And in spite of the lies you love to promote, the left has never supported "open borders", just the delusions of the radical right wing. Your dysfunctional mentality forgets that under Bush the Repugnant Party supported the DREAM Act, and gave us CAFTA along with Mexican trucks on American highways. Then there was the protection given to children of immigrants by Bush.

Like your fictional diagnosis of TDS (as opposed to ODS from the right?), Democrats have tried to work with your Repugnants, and, as in the case of supreme court Justices, they have been rejected.
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I read threads like this and I have to be amazed at just how ignorant some people are, and then how lacking in compassion they are. IMO it is the ignorance that drives the lack of compassion,

First off, if any of you fools understood American Asylum Law you would know the migrants are trying to enter the country legally. However, Trump, who has never seen a law he would not violate, keeps them from entering legally thus they have to do so illegally. And American law does allow for this illegal entry.

Next, what part of the law allows for the separation of children from their parents, and then deporting the parent without the child? In fact, DHHS has no idea of where the parent is, or the child.

Next, there is a program called MAVNI. You really should look it up.

Finally, Melania Trump violated American law when she came here. Why not deport her, and keep Brannon here?
Ah, the compassionate card. Compassionate to whom? The illegal parasites, or the working poor of this country? I suppose, coming to a legal port of entry for a supposed refugee is out of the question. Those who enter illegally and then try to claim refugee status should be summarily dismissed and deported. Why should any illegal alien be given rights above the legal citizens of this country? If a legal citizen brakes the law, with children in hand, those children are removed from that parent. My compassion ended 20,000,000 illegals ago!!
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Mexico has for decades used the U.S. as its safety valve for ridding themselves of their uneducated, unskilled poor. Why let them be a drain on Mexico when they can ship them off to the U.S.? It didn't take long for Central and South America to catch on. Their government don't wont to be responsible, hey, ship them to that big fat sucker up north. It's past time we shut down that Welfare dept.!
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Old July 8th, 2018, 12:43 PM   #18
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Seems we need to get ICE hot on the trail of more of these who overstay their Visas. If they are still illegal and in the country, cuff em Danno.

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You seem to have forgotten the 8 years of nothing happening during the Obummer admin. The shove and push nature of the issue, libs wanting to perpetuate open borders and mass infiltration of our country, conservatives wanting to stop the illegal invasion but get shot down by the libs at every turn. Neither side is going to give an inch. In the present environment TDS is putting up massive resistance to anything the conservatives want to do. If this continues nothing will get done this time either. The answer seems to be for Conservatives to achieve a 60 vote majority in the Senate, keep control of the House and just git'er done.

And YOU seem to have forgotten that for SIX years of Obama's presidency REPUBLICANS controlled BOTH houses of congress.

Since 1994 REPUBLICANS have had control of at least one house of congress for 18 out of the last 22 years. They controlled BOTH houses of congress for 12 of those years !!! Let's also keep in mind that when the Republicans lost control of congress they embarked on the largest obstruction campaign we've ever seen. They DOUBLED the record for the number of filibusters in one session, and sustained that near record level for the entire time they were the minority party. They shot down THEIR OWN ideas just because Obama supported them.

So PLEASE explain how this is the "liberal's fault" ????

The FACT is, the CORPORATE MASTERS do not want the problem fixed. Illegal's help keep wages low for EVERYONE. It ripples ALL the way up into the upper middle class.
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Yup, that they do. Now, lets make e-verify the only way people get a job here then you can ruin the traitorous basterds you refer to. Going after business in that way will make you most unpopular with the hundreds of thousands who lose their jobs because you drove their employer out of business.
THAT my friend would be EXACTLY MY POINT !!! What company is going to risk being driven into bankruptcy and/or out of business just to save a few dollars on their payroll ?? If the government came out tomorrow and announced the fines for employing illegals, even through sub-contractors, would be equal to the previous two years net profits. AND that any and all government contracts would be terminated immediately and any company having a contract cancelled would be barred from rebidding for five years.

How long do you think it would take every company in the nation to do a full revue of their employees and get rid of anyone that couldn't prove their citizenship ?? My guess is not long !!! Like in Alabama when they passed their new laws, the chicken packing plants in the Albertville area (there's like eight of them) suddenly had MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND job openings as the illegals bailed and went to other states !!!

BTW the company I work for had me drive four hours to one of their facilities with my passport and birth certificate. I had to PROVE I was a citizen before they made their "official" offer of employment !!!

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I agree with the elimination of anchor babies and recinding their citizenship, deporting the families who illegally exploited them is a great way to send the message to future schemers trying to secure a place here illegally.
Problem is, Liberal politicians will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. You need to have a talk with them at reelection time.
It is good to see that your liberal friends here agree, it's a good start!!
Well we can't rescind their citizenship. There's this thing called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it, and it says no law can be retroactive. Look up the prohibition on Ex Post Facto laws. So we can't undo what has been done. But we can certainly stop any new citizens if we pass the law needed. Literally all we need is ONE SENTENCE added to existing law.

And as I said in another post you CANNOT BLAME the liberals for this problem. NOT when the REPUBLICANS have controlled the House of Reps for 18 of the last 22 years, and not when they controlled BOTH HOUSES of congress for 12 of those years !!! EIGHT of them with a REPUBLICAN president. And NOT when the last Republican president WANTED TO GRANT THEM AMNESTY !!!!
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