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Old July 4th, 2018, 07:49 AM   #21
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It's not their fault. They don't have the requisite intelligence level required to think for themselves.
I truly don't understand their zealous defense of this man. He has told more than 3000 lies, distortions, misstatements and exaggerations since taking office. I've ended marriages for FAR less than that. I ended one marriage for ONE rather big lie. It was of course just the last of several lies she told. But still, I don't understand the almost fanatical defense of Trumps almost constant barrage of lies and misinformation.
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Old July 4th, 2018, 07:50 AM   #22
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Thank you for that example of what has gone wrong with our mentality, since education for technology, that is education for specialist and experts, not well rounded individual growth as we once had. Your post is perfect for Nazi, Germany but unfit for the American democracy.

Divided we fall. United we stand. Now identify the problem and the solution so we can work together. Look, everyone. Our worst enemy is not outside our borders. Our worst enemy is ourselves. Clicker's post is destructive to our democracy and we must bring this to an end and get off the path that Germany followed.
I suggest you talk with Bubba Jones. His comment is an essay on the fact that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Your comparison to Nazi Germany is way off the mark. I think you'd get a far clearer picture of what's happening by looking at the period 1820 to 1865.

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Old July 4th, 2018, 08:06 AM   #23
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Republicans are like Woody Allens "Sleeper". They wake up one day, are told that everything that was good is now bad. Then, without a hitch in their lockstep git along, morph seamlessly into the newspeak world dictated to them by their handlers. They wake up every morning and get their talking points from Faux News, Hannity and Limbaugh.
Okay, and what is the problem we need to resolve and how do we resolve it?

Does anyone else see how childish it is for republicans and democrats to be attacking each other instead of identifying the issues we need to talk about?
This thread is supposed to be about tariffs and the economic threat to the whole world. What are the benefits and problems with protectionism?

MY THREADS ARE NOT PLACES FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO THROW ROTTEN TOMATOES AT EACH OTHER AND IF THIS MAKES ME UNPOPULAR SO BE IT. I am not here to win a popularity contest but to stop the destruction, identify serious problems and discuss the solutions. GROW UP!
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Old July 4th, 2018, 08:13 AM   #24
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I suggest you talk with Bubba Jones. His comment is an essay on the fact that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Your comparison to Nazi Germany is way off the mark. I think you'd get a far clearer picture of what's happening by looking at the period 1820 to 1865.
Our lack of knowledge of what went wrong in Germany is a problem. Our lack of knowledge of what education has to do with defending our democracy or destroying it is a problem. But that is an argument for another thread.

If what happened at the period 1820 to 1865 is relevant to this thread, and I think it is, please explain what happened and we will go from there. It would be great to have a thread that actually contains useful information.
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Okay, and what is the problem we need to resolve and how do we resolve it?

Does anyone else see how childish it is for republicans and democrats to be attacking each other instead of identifying the issues we need to talk about?
This thread is supposed to be about tariffs and the economic threat to the whole world. What are the benefits and problems with protectionism?

MY THREADS ARE NOT PLACES FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO THROW ROTTEN TOMATOES AT EACH OTHER AND IF THIS MAKES ME UNPOPULAR SO BE IT. I am not here to win a popularity contest but to stop the destruction, identify serious problems and discuss the solutions. GROW UP!

If you pay attention to the majority of my post you will see that I spend most of my time pointing out the HYPOCRISY of others.

You are correct we need COMPROMISE to run the country. I'm not 100% sure he said it. But Barry Goldwater was right. THIS is what I see as wrong with our politics. The religious right has taken over what used to be the Republican party. I voted Republican for most of my life. But at some point the party I supported changed. It's no longer the party of fiscal conservatism and social progressiveness.

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Okay, and what is the problem we need to resolve and how do we resolve it?

Does anyone else see how childish it is for republicans and democrats to be attacking each other instead of identifying the issues we need to talk about?
This thread is supposed to be about tariffs and the economic threat to the whole world. What are the benefits and problems with protectionism?

MY THREADS ARE NOT PLACES FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO THROW ROTTEN TOMATOES AT EACH OTHER AND IF THIS MAKES ME UNPOPULAR SO BE IT. I am not here to win a popularity contest but to stop the destruction, identify serious problems and discuss the solutions. GROW UP!
If politicians were pragmatic we wouldn't have the problems we have already. A huge chunk of them are pandering to the creeps on the right. A big chunk are pandering to creeps on the left (yes, they have them too). The sweet spot is the middle where the moderates live. Problem is political corruption has destroyed the system. The pols care more about their campaign contributors than anybody else.
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Old July 4th, 2018, 08:35 AM   #27
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It could also lead to more equal and fair tariffs, for all nations.
Well, wasn't that the plan, Trump would threaten and bluster and all the nations of the world would back down and make deals that were great for the US.

And then reality happened.

China takes a long term view, they don't mind a bump in the economic road in the short run.
Trump's got an election in November to worry about.
Who's gonna blink?
If the world goes into a little recession, who gets hurt?

We already saw fearless leader back off on zero tolerance at the border, how long before he backs off tariffs?

It's like Harold Macmillan said when asked what could derail the plans of the nation, "Events,my dear boy, events"

And here come the "events"....layoffs, US jobs moving overseas, economic slowdown, Exploding deficit....
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If anyone doubts Camelot's claim that corporate US is against the tariffs:

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The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation's largest business group and customarily a close ally of President Donald Trump's Republican Party, is launching a campaign on Monday to oppose Trump's trade tariff policies.
Largest U.S. business group attacks Trump on tariffs | CBC News
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If you pay attention to the majority of my post you will see that I spend most of my time pointing out the HYPOCRISY of others.

You are correct we need COMPROMISE to run the country. I'm not 100% sure he said it. But Barry Goldwater was right. THIS is what I see as wrong with our politics. The religious right has taken over what used to be the Republican party. I voted Republican for most of my life. But at some point the party I supported changed. It's no longer the party of fiscal conservatism and social progressiveness.

I do read your post and believe they are better thought out than others. I want to stress the point here. You are not just throwing tomatoes as some, but actually, contribute some thinking and this gives us something to say in reply, rather just throwing tomatoes back at you.

Wow, that is an excellent quote. I know people are sick of my repeated comments about education, the Military Industrial Complex, and Nazism, but until everyone seems to understand what I am saying, I am compelled to continue the explanation. Christianity without the education we had, is not the same thing. When people are well educated in logic, they are nothing like a Christian who is sure we can know the will of God, and therefore, have a duty to do the will of God.

The woman who is now in charge of public education in the US has grown up a member of a branch of Christianity that believes humans have a fanatical Muslim like duty to God to do God's will. This religious mentality played into Nazi Germany, and the head of public education in the US grew up with this mentality and does not question it!

Christians are not all the same. Muslims are not all the same. What kind of Christian or Muslim a person is, depends very much on the person's secular education. Essential is the person's knowledge of logic and our understanding of logic was dynamically different before education for technology. There is something terribly dehumanizing that goes with education for technology, and we must become aware of this and do something about it.
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Old July 4th, 2018, 11:41 AM   #30
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If politicians were pragmatic we wouldn't have the problems we have already. A huge chunk of them are pandering to the creeps on the right. A big chunk are pandering to creeps on the left (yes, they have them too). The sweet spot is the middle where the moderates live. Problem is political corruption has destroyed the system. The pols care more about their campaign contributors than anybody else.
Okay, now we have something to talk about. Let us start with what you mentioned. What makes those on the left different from those on the right? Do the left and right see the tariff situation differently? Is the problem of this thread the existence of a left and right?

Seriously I do not have a clue what you are talking about when you speak of the left and right. To know what you are talking about I would have to know the memes of the left and the memes of the right, and I do not. To have rule by reason, rather than authority over us, we need to know the reasoning and we need to engage with each other to have shared reasoning. You know the meme of left and right but I do not. Maybe memes are the modern day demons? When we believe them to be real, they have power over us, 'oh yes that meme is mine, I stand on the left." However, when we don't believe in them, they hold no power, they don't exist. There is no substance to a meme. It is just an idea. Let us look at them and see if there any substance or value to them.

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1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture
Memes (discrete units of knowledge, gossip, jokes and so on) are to culture what genes are to life. Just as biological evolution is driven by the survival of the fittest genes in the gene pool, cultural evolution may be driven by the most successful memes. —Richard Dawkins
So if I were to see the world from the viewpoint of the right, what would be my truths?

If I were to see the world from the viewpoint of the left, what would be my truths?

I laugh because I really don't know what I am and what thoughts I must have to be one of them or one of those.

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