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Old July 11th, 2018, 10:24 PM   #41
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Your beliefs aren't offensive to me. I'm not crazy about the idea of fetuses being terminated, either.
There's actually 2 things, one is the life of a fetus being terminated, the other is a pregnancy being terminated. I distinguish between the two, because they're different things. Let's terminate pregnancies without terminating the life of the fetus. The life of a fetus doesn't have to be terminated just because the mother wants the pregnancy terminated. If the technology to transfer the fetus to a special incubator or to a surrogate mother doesn't exist yet, then let's work on it. How much is going to fund such research from taxes? None, as far as I know.

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I just recognize it's not my right to tell a woman what she can do with her body. That's a decision the woman alone should have the privilege of making.
You mean the right? There's a difference between a right and a privilege.

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People say that the fetus isn't "her body", but those people aren't going to be raising the baby, paying money for everything it needs, they aren't considering the health of the woman, etc.
If the mother doesn't want to raise a child, or is unable to do so for financial or health/emotional/etc. reasons, there's always adoption as an option. At least in that case the mother won't spend the rest of her life feeling bad & regretful.

Yes, there is a symbiotic situation between a mother and her unborn child that affects the health of both. I'm not a medical expert, but it seems to me that removing a fetus intact from the womb would be safer than tearing it up into pieces in the womb & risk leaving pieces that can fester in the womb potentially killing the woman.

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Religiously they simply don't have a leg to stand on. The Bible is quite clear on the topic of the body: if the mote in your eye offends thee, pluck it out. Same for a zygote, I'll wager. Not to mention the Bible is hardly "soft" on the topic of killing, even of one's own children in certain circumstances.

So, it doesn't offend me if someone is ant-abortion. That's their privilege. But when they claim there is some sort of Biblical proscription against it, that just flat pisses me off, because they are lying. The Bible actually advocates the regressive use of aborton (against the woman's will), in Numbers 5: 11-28. So the so-called Christians advocating against abortion on religious grounds are just lying sacks of shit.
Interesting, but I myself am not religious, and I'm opposed to the merger of church and state. I don't favor or oppose anything based on religious beliefs. I look at it from the persective of consistency, whether or not there's a victim, etc.
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Old July 11th, 2018, 10:55 PM   #42
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The truth is, pregnancy is more dangerous than abortion. For every woman that has complication from an abortion a dozen or more DIE from pregnancy.
That's not what we're discussing. You asked what's the difference between an "abortion procedure" and induced miscarriage with an herbal substance. A relevant rebuttal would entail pointing out that there are no differences between "abortion procedures" complications and induced miscarriage with an herbal substance complications; are they about the same?

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OK I'm sorry but you can't have a "free market" unless it is a capitalist economy. There are no "socialist" or "communist" free market economies. ANY government control means it's NOT a "free market" economy.
Sure, I would assert all of this.

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So a true libertarian economy HAS to be a capitalist economy.
Why? You didn't present an argument that arrives at this conclusion.
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The truth is, pregnancy is more dangerous than abortion. For every woman that has complication from an abortion a dozen or more DIE from pregnancy.



OK I'm sorry but you can't have a "free market" unless it is a capitalist economy. There are no "socialist" or "communist" free market economies. ANY government control means it's NOT a "free market" economy. So a true libertarian economy HAS to be a capitalist economy.
Maybe many people who fall victim to that fate have inferior genetics that are not suposed to be in the pool in the 1st place. Have you ever thought that maybe that is a major contributor to many of the problems we are facing today, we are not letting the weakest of our species die off. This is the 1st time in recorded history that this has become the norm. Now we have a population of soy boys and people who cant even understand basic biology. At least they are voluntarily taking themselves out of the gene pool. So we do have that going for us.

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