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Old July 9th, 2018, 02:06 PM   #51
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That is one of the main points. But slavery is BAD!!! Do you understand? B! A! D!!!! For one reason, there are species of ants out there that have evolved employing the practice of taking other ants as slaves. Now, the slaver ants can't even feed themselves unless the slave ants feed them. With this being the case, it is the slaver ants who are the real slaves.

Also, as I said elsewhere, look at the Great wall of China, the Pyramids and many many other similar projects. The REAL reason for their construction was almost certainly employment. One of the reasons why is probably because, in a way where it didn't exist, was the old saying "Idol hands are the devil's playthings." Right now there are something around 26 million unemployed working age adults in the U.S. And something around 22 million who are underemployed.

As for any "free trade" with China, consider this. The average hourly salary for an American worker is $23.32. The Average hourly salary for a Chinese worker is $1.36. What in the hell could we make that they could afford! So what needs to be done is to cut off almost all trade with China. Start making the products we use for ourselves. Put around 20 million Americans to work. Give another 20 million a livable wage.
Well first let's examine that $1.36 an hour average. That's spread over 1.4 BILLION people. The TRUTH is, China has an emerging middle class that has more people in it, than we have people in our whole country. They are already the LARGEST car buying market, and that's WITHOUT FINANCING, they have to pay cash !! That's why GM was very smart to set up production over there many years ago since Buicks of all things are highly sought after.

The point being, right now we do have a trade imbalance with China but as time goes forward and more and more of their people move up to middle class status that creates a larger market for American goods. Also as they move up (meaning their wages are rising) they are less competitive in the labor market, meaning some manufacturing may return to the states. Though in truth it'll probably go to a different low wage country.

We simply cannot isolate ourselves from the world economy. India with 1.2 billion people is only a few years behind China with their emerging middle class. We simply need to figure out the things we can sell to those countries and concentrate on them, kinda like Germany who has one of the HIGHEST average worker pay.

Also care to know WHO is responsible for the biggest shift of manufacturing to China ???? ................................................. WALMART !!!!!!

They have deliberately driven thousands companies into bankruptcy so they or one of their Chinese partners can buy up the assets and move it all the China, Mexico or some other low wage country. They do this to keep wages here low, so the only place many people can afford to shop is Walmart !!
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A sum Obimbo asked for! If your suggesting that money should have never been appropriated, I agree.
For the Bush/Cheney Iraq War ? For the Bush/Cheney Afghanistan War ? For the Bush/Cheney economic meltdown ? For Wall Street banks that your Einstein Republican politicians just de-regulated again ? Damn that Obama.
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We aren't North Korea or China. Also, we used to make most of the products we used. There is no reason we can't do so again. As for rare metals, though I don't know, there is likely some mineral that is plentiful in the U.S. that isn't in China. Trade in that. Also, China has the world's largest population. That is a lot of hungry mouths. The U.S. is rich in arable land. (For the time being) So we could trade food with China for the things we don't have much of.
Miss the 1950’s do you ?
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A sum Obimbo asked for! If your suggesting that money should have never been appropriated, I agree.
Look , the deficit is ridiculous, and it's easy to fix.
Just go back to the tax rates we had when the US experienced it's highest growth rates, and the greatest improvements in the standard of living.

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Miss the 1950’s do you ?
Sounds more like 1850 to me. By 1950 there was a lot of global trade. Oil, grains, other agricultural products. Farm machinery and so on. Then, when electronic toys came to the fore, it exploded.
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Again. Over the past two months, our stock market is mixed. No big loss at all. China however has lost 22% of its stock value. Its a devistating loss. China is losing the war. Looks like Trump was correct.
We're down 2k from January, you seem to have missed.
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Look , the deficit is ridiculous, and it's easy to fix.
Just go back to the tax rates we had when the US experienced it's highest growth rates, and the greatest improvements in the standard of living.
That would mean enacting DEMOCRATIC tax laws though, lol
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