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Old July 8th, 2018, 05:14 PM   #31
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If the North Korean government came away from this first meeting with the response that the talks were going along great, I would be worried. Trump is going to drive a good treaty or there will be no treaty.
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Old July 8th, 2018, 05:19 PM   #32
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If the North Korean government came away from this first meeting with the response that the talks were going along great, I would be worried. Trump is going to drive a good treaty or there will be no treaty.
The only thing Dot Don is driving is a golf ball. And even there, not so well I hear.
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What is basis of the story that North Korea is exporting nukes and nuclear technology? Cause records from the former apartheid government in South Africa show how Israel and the US set up their nuclear program prior to the end of apartheid, and the need for a rapid relocation of that secret program before Nelson Mandela took over.

If there is a clear example of a nation developing a nuclear program to deter foreign threats, it's North Korea! They would have already been subject to a friendly regime change operation if they didn't have them. So if Trump or any future US government is honest about its intentions, North Korea has presented their security requirements before they will end their nuclear programs.
There's no basis other than my feelings, and I've made that very clear from the onset.

I'd appreciate your sharing a source for your claim that the US and Israel are responsible for setting up SA's nuclear program. I can't find anything to nail that down. I find several unconfirmed rumors of Israeli offers to sell SA nuclear weapons and delivery systems, and evidently Pakistan and SA worked together on uranium enrichment and developed a unique method to enrich uranium, and that SA decided on its own to pursue plutonium production.

Back to NK, Kim has done it. He brought the US president to NK soil. He got "recognition." He got de facto sanctions relief from Russia and China. He showed the world of corrupt dictators how to deal with the US and the West: get a nuke one way or another and that'll get their attention, but don't worry. They won't attack you.

And it's a dream only, NK giving up its nuclear program. Neither China nor Russia will push Kim to do this, imo. As well, it's a dream only for a reunited Korea with any government that resembles a Western democratic republic.

Trump walked right into this well-prepared trap, and he doesn't have any way out of it that doesn't involve eating crow, and crow isn't a part of his diet.
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Old July 8th, 2018, 08:46 PM   #34
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There's no basis other than my feelings, and I've made that very clear from the onset.

I'd appreciate your sharing a source for your claim that the US and Israel are responsible for setting up SA's nuclear program. I can't find anything to nail that down. I find several unconfirmed rumors of Israeli offers to sell SA nuclear weapons and delivery systems, and evidently Pakistan and SA worked together on uranium enrichment and developed a unique method to enrich uranium, and that SA decided on its own to pursue plutonium production.
So, if I got this right, you feel free to just pull something out of your ass with nothing to back it up, but expect me to provide proof for my claims...which I wouldn't make if I didn't have evidence for them or feel that they were valid!

I'm surprised your search couldn't come up with this Guardian article from 2010: Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.................etc. etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uclear-weapons

A complete chronology of South Africa's nuclear program from beginning to end, including information regarding the cooperation of Britain, the US and Israel in that program:
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key...chronology.pdf


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Back to NK, Kim has done it. He brought the US president to NK soil. He got "recognition." He got de facto sanctions relief from Russia and China. He showed the world of corrupt dictators how to deal with the US and the West: get a nuke one way or another and that'll get their attention, but don't worry. They won't attack you.

And it's a dream only, NK giving up its nuclear program. Neither China nor Russia will push Kim to do this, imo. As well, it's a dream only for a reunited Korea with any government that resembles a Western democratic republic.

Trump walked right into this well-prepared trap, and he doesn't have any way out of it that doesn't involve eating crow, and crow isn't a part of his diet.
Again, what did North Korea get that they haven't deserved to get for the past 65 years? The US killed 20% of the total population of the North in America's "forgotten" war, leveled every building in Pyonyang and almost all buildings in every other city, conducted both chemical and biological weapons attacks (anthrax) after an armistice was signed in 1953 and has been threatening to attack almost constantly ever since...with a few brief breaks such as when Clinton promised to switch out North Korea's heavy reactors with new light water reactors...which Bush II cancelled when he took office.

Looking at the big picture, who is the threat to world peace and neighboring nations: North Korea or the US of A?

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So, if I got this right, you feel free to just pull something out of your ass with nothing to back it up, but expect me to provide proof for my claims...which I wouldn't make if I didn't have evidence for them or feel that they were valid!
That's the end of our conversation.
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If the North Korean government came away from this first meeting with the response that the talks were going along great, I would be worried. Trump is going to drive a good treaty or there will be no treaty.
This is what the outcome will be.
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This is what the outcome will be.
And if it was Obama doing it, then there would absolutely be a treaty no matter how terrible it was for the USA. I am very happy that Trump keeps saying that no treaty is an option.
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Pompeo says progress , Kim says regrets.....

Sounds good to me.
Yes but any progress toward a goal that is good for the U.S and Trump is bad for the leftists, they do not even hide that they are anti United States anymore the leftist on this board do not love this country. The love the thought of turning it into a Venezuela.
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That's the end of our conversation.
Yes, it is! And it's why I shouldn't bother talking to you or the rest of the peanut gallery that follows behind you!
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Yes but any progress toward a goal that is good for the U.S and Trump is bad for the leftists, they do not even hide that they are anti United States anymore the leftist on this board do not love this country. The love the thought of turning it into a Venezuela.
Bullshit. I love my country but have nothing but contempt and disdain for the guy that happens to hold the office of President right now. Why do you have a problem with that?
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